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2014 FIFA World Cup Brasil™ - Europe vs. America


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I think you missed this post, Luca.

 

Yeah, I somehow contrived to miss that. But without context the stats don't mean much. Messi has played his entire career at Barcelona. He trained with them as a kid so was primed for that team from a very young age. For much of his time being the focus of the team.

 

Ronaldo has had a much slower rise to dominance including well over a year where he was hit and miss at Man United while he was still finding his feet in England and dealing with the idea he can be one of the best players in the world and working towards it. It wasn't something he was being groomed for since being a kid playing in Portugal.

 

The numbers don't exist in a vacuum. Without digging into the source it's risky business deriving too much meaning from them.

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That French game really didn't do the Swiss justice. Decent side.

I still thought they were good in that match tbh. Going forward at least anyway.

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What 'context' would you like? :lol:

 

See the above post. As it's near impossible to separate the individual from the context of his team, role, competition they're playing in, etc I think it's risky business giving too much importance to these numbers when comparing them side by side. Statistical analysis has a role to play in football, but you've got to be comparing like for like otherwise the numbers are meaningless.

 

A great example is comparing Demba Ba's pre-Cisse and post-Cisse scoring records with us. If you remove all context, it looks like Ba's form completely dropped. You need the context of knowing he was being played in a wide position to figure out what's really going on.

 

Another example would be Jozy Altidore's scoring record in Holland. The numbers alone are meaningless without context.

 

You can't compare Messi's all-Barca career to Ronaldo's career looking just at the numbers, which is why I'm focusing on their current talent, attitudes, performances.

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What 'context' would you like? :lol:

 

See the above post. As it's near impossible to separate the individual from the context of his team, role, competition they're playing in, etc I think it's risky business giving too much importance to these numbers when comparing them side by side. Statistical analysis has a role to play in football, but you've got to be comparing like for like otherwise the numbers are meaningless.

 

A great example is comparing Demba Ba's pre-Cisse and post-Cisse scoring records with us. If you remove all context, it looks like Ba's form completely dropped. You need the context of knowing he was being played in a wide position to figure out what's really going on.

 

Another example would be Jozy Altidore's scoring record in Holland. The numbers alone are meaningless without context.

 

You can't compare Messi's all-Barca career to Ronaldo's career looking just at the numbers, which is why I'm focusing on their current talent, attitudes, performances.

 

Actually, those stats were derived in context, the article had a whole segment trying to separate Messi's numbers from the impact Barca has had on his numbers. Not to be a jerk, but try reading it during halftime, I'd be curious what you think afterwards.

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Aye, but Ronaldo and Messi's roles rarely change and they still have little effect on their scoribg record at least.

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