r0cafella Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to f*** off? Players are anything but sacred cows mate and they get plenty of stick. But imagine how you'd feel working under a manager who is totally inept and constantly talks your chances down whilst talking the opponents up. As a professional player with no ties to the club, why the f*** would you want to stay? the same reason they came £££ Same reason they'll leave too that and they may actually join a team who's ambition it is to win a trophy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to fuck off? Sell them all and get a new lot then, would that be your solution? start by sorting out the transfer policy. Fact is the manager having 0 input in signings- and as such the guys he's got to fit in a system together- isn't working all that well. The squads completely imbalanced and lacking any kind of actual width which makes us very predictable. We need to scout and sign players not just in france but in all the major European leagues and the English leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to fuck off? Sell them all and get a new lot then, would that be your solution? start by sorting out the transfer policy. Fact is the manager having 0 input in signings- and as such the guys he's got to fit in a system together- isn't working all that well. The squads completely imbalanced and lacking any kind of actual width which makes us very predictable. We need to scout and sign players not just in france but in all the major European leagues and the English leagues. And give them to Alan Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to fuck off? Sell them all and get a new lot then, would that be your solution? start by sorting out the transfer policy. Fact is the manager having 0 input in signings- and as such the guys he's got to fit in a system together- isn't working all that well. The squads completely imbalanced and lacking any kind of actual width which makes us very predictable. We need to scout and sign players not just in france but in all the major European leagues and the English leagues. And give them to Alan Pardew? he is the manager and if you think Ashley would get anyone better (ie more expensive) then good luck to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The defeat today was the same as the one in April - nowt to do with ability, everything to do with desire. The mackems wanted to win both games much, much more and it was painfully obvious on both occasions. Something else which lays firmly at Pardew's (and that of Carver, Stone and Woodman) door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 he is the manager and if you think Ashley would get anyone better (ie more expensive) then good luck to you. Mug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to fuck off? Sell them all and get a new lot then, would that be your solution? start by sorting out the transfer policy. Fact is the manager having 0 input in signings- and as such the guys he's got to fit in a system together- isn't working all that well. The squads completely imbalanced and lacking any kind of actual width which makes us very predictable. We need to scout and sign players not just in france but in all the major European leagues and the English leagues. And give them to Alan Pardew? he is the manager and if you think Ashley would get anyone better (ie more expensive) then good luck to you. Yet you're demanding better (i.e. more expensive) players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan Pardew is a s*** manager the end. Edited there for you. he's not the problem simply another symptom. The problem is Ashley and a moronic transfer policy and the thinking that just buying players from one sub-par league is a good idea. Plenty of very good players have come from the French league. yes but that doesn't mean you just do all your transfer business there. Other leagues exist, the lower leagues exist. Plenty of very good players have come from there too. Not this again, We've bought from other leagues. The players we've brought from France aren't second rate donkeys. Time to accept that Pardew is out of his depth managing this style of player as he was at West Ham when he benched Tevez and Mascherano. love how the players have become sacred cows who you never ever criticize or think they maybe just maybe are not that good. Fact is had Williamson did what MYM did vs Everton first half or last week vs Liverpool he would be hung out to dry by everyone on here, same for Steven Taylor, see also if Simpson had played as badly as Debuchy certainly has. Why can Cisse do absolutely nothing outside the box? Why does Sissoko go missing all the bloody time. What the hell does Gouffran offer? Why is Colo still the captain after wanting to f*** off? Sell them all and get a new lot then, would that be your solution? start by sorting out the transfer policy. Fact is the manager having 0 input in signings- and as such the guys he's got to fit in a system together- isn't working all that well. The squads completely imbalanced and lacking any kind of actual width which makes us very predictable. We need to scout and sign players not just in france but in all the major European leagues and the English leagues. You want the guy who chose Hayden Mullins over Mascherano to have more input on transfer policy. Wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 jdckelly still defending Pardew? :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Good OP. It's what inevitably follows when the club has absolutely no ambition to better itself; everyone involved is content to tread water and is therefore terrified of doing anything that could possibly constitute jeopardising the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 jdckelly still defending Pardew? :lol: my point is, sacking Pardew won't change one bit the underlying issues at the club which all can be traced back to Mike Ashley. Sacking him would simply be shifting deck chairs on the titanic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 jdckelly still defending Pardew? :lol: my point is, sacking Pardew won't change one bit the underlying issues at the club which all can be traced back to Mike Ashley. Sacking him would simply be shifting deck chairs on the titanic. The Titanic did sink tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 jdckelly still defending Pardew? :lol: my point is, sacking Pardew won't change one bit the underlying issues at the club which all can be traced back to Mike Ashley. Sacking him would simply be shifting deck chairs on the titanic. The Titanic did sink tho. and while Ashley is controlling things it will inevitably happen, we're standing still at best which is akin to going backwards in the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 jdckelly still defending Pardew? :lol: my point is, sacking Pardew won't change one bit the underlying issues at the club which all can be traced back to Mike Ashley. Sacking him would simply be shifting deck chairs on the titanic. How could you know this? So there isn't even a chance that a better manager could come in and get us playing some nice football and winning games? Mike Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The title sums the up the club from owner, to manager and very obviously to those on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Today was nothing to do with cowardice or too many foreigners or players lacking drive and desire. Yet again we put a team out, filled with players out of their natural positions, with the usual game plan of keep everything tight at the back and hope that one of Remy, Ben Arfa or Cabaye can conjure up a piece of magic. When the game plan didn't work (and considering the way in which Sunderland approached the game it was never likely to work) we had absolutely no backup plan, no other ideas on how to win the game. We just kept on repeating the same old shit that doesn't work no matter who we play against. We get wide players to run to the byline & they get crosses in that are utterly useless, they're either too high, too close to the keeper or too far away from any of our players (when there are any in the box at all) to be of any use to anyone. When they can't get a cross in they pass the ball to a midfielder to take a long shot, it might work out occasionally and we'll get a goal from long range once every two or three games but it'll rarely be enough to actually win a game. How many times today did any of our players play a diagonal ball through their defence for a forward to run on to? How many times did we even try? No one who has even a most basic passing interest in football could look at the shit that we served up today & think That's how football should be played!. We lost today because yet again we put out a side that was not prepared properly for the game and had no fucking clue how to adapt when the games doesn't go exactly according to plan. There's a quote attributed to a Prussian General Helmuth von Moltke No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy, all our preparation and training for games means fuck all if the players on the pitch can't adapt to the game they're actually playing. It's a failure of one fuckwit and his shite backroom staff. :clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Today was nothing to do with cowardice or too many foreigners or players lacking drive and desire. Yet again we put a team out, filled with players out of their natural positions, with the usual game plan of keep everything tight at the back and hope that one of Remy, Ben Arfa or Cabaye can conjure up a piece of magic. When the game plan didn't work (and considering the way in which Sunderland approached the game it was never likely to work) we had absolutely no backup plan, no other ideas on how to win the game. We just kept on repeating the same old shit that doesn't work no matter who we play against. We get wide players to run to the byline & they get crosses in that are utterly useless, they're either too high, too close to the keeper or too far away from any of our players (when there are any in the box at all) to be of any use to anyone. When they can't get a cross in they pass the ball to a midfielder to take a long shot, it might work out occasionally and we'll get a goal from long range once every two or three games but it'll rarely be enough to actually win a game. How many times today did any of our players play a diagonal ball through their defence for a forward to run on to? How many times did we even try? No one who has even a most basic passing interest in football could look at the shit that we served up today & think That's how football should be played!. We lost today because yet again we put out a side that was not prepared properly for the game and had no fucking clue how to adapt when the games doesn't go exactly according to plan. There's a quote attributed to a Prussian General Helmuth von Moltke No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy, all our preparation and training for games means fuck all if the players on the pitch can't adapt to the game they're actually playing. It's a failure of one fuckwit and his shite backroom staff. Great post by irki, clearly knows his football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 fuckin hell. get a grip man, it was only 1 game and 1 game which after a poor start we were unlucky to lose. A draw would have been the right result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 :lol: One game! One game amongst otherwise constant glory! Calm down lads! What an absolute muppet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 It's just one game Polic, calm down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 fuckin hell. get a grip man, it was only 1 game and 1 game which after a poor start we were unlucky to lose. A draw would have been the right result. We weren't unlucky at all and we got what we deserved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I love the 'poor start' bit as if we weren't utter dogshit all game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 It's always the same on man. Win a game and we're the best thing since sliced bread, lose one and the worlds about end. Neither team did enough to win and we got sucker punched by a shot that every other week will hit row z. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Aye, just a game lads. Calm down. Just a game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 God help us if we have many tits like this in our support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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