morpeth mag Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Next step for the team is to pick up at least a point when we concede first - yet to happen yet this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Next step for the team is to pick up at least a point when we concede first - yet to happen yet this season. Alan, you've got another challenge. You've successfully completed every challenge Mick has thrown at you (bar say nothing at all...ever), someone else now fancies a go. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 You'd probably enjoy it more if you weren't so desperate to be angry, just saying. Where have I said that I was angry? Pretty much every post, you haven't said it but you come across like you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 ManU - Cabaye scores a deflected goal where the bounce from the deflection beats the keeper. Southampton - Gouffran scored a goal after a ridiculously sliced clearance from the centreback gives him an easy finish. Crystal Palace - another deflected goal from Cabaye, pretty much the same as against ManU, and then an own goal to finish the opposition off (no chance they were coming back from 2-0). A few weeks ago prior to the ManU game there was a discussion on here how in some of our eyes Pardew is arguably the luckiest manager in the league. Given the responses from some of those who disagreed at the time on the basis that luck involves things like deflections, surely this latest run of games pretty much should have changed a few minds at least? FWIW we deserved the win as we were the vastly superior team and were unlucky to not score more, and I liked his positive substitutions. However it still feels like we're in a purple patch at the moment and that we're getting the rub of the green (maybe not so much against Palace as we should have scored more anyway), hence why I'm hesitant to wax lyrical about our recent form under Pardew. Furthermore, I still don't think the way we're playing at the moment is getting the best out of our players, even if the results suggest otherwise at this point in time. That's what I noticed as well, and why I mentioned a couple of times yesterday that while our general passing is great, we don't really seem to have much threat up front as a result of it. Part of that is down to having two right footed players on the left, so we rarely get a worthwhile cross in, and we are still missing a central striker who will get on the end of the crosses which do come in. I'm not sure there's much Pardew can do about the striker though. think santon is the weak link at the moment - need to try easing in hadara or even mapou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chizzletooth Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 There's little to complain about at the moment, which makes the relentless anti Pardew bile more wearisome than ever to read. 30 points is an excellent return, considering how little investment was made in the summer. Yeah he's got his flaws but overall he's doing a very decent job. Really looking forward to the next game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 There's little to complain about at the moment, which makes the relentless anti Pardew bile more wearisome than ever to read. 30 points is an excellent return, considering how little investment was made in the summer. Yeah he's got his flaws but overall he's doing a very decent job. Really looking forward to the next game. or its wearisome to read the Pardewistas all lining up to suck his cock cos he's managed to be half competent for a string of games. You pays your money ya takes ya choice.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Pretty much every post, you haven't said it but you come across like you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 There's little to complain about at the moment, which makes the relentless anti Pardew bile more wearisome than ever to read. 30 points is an excellent return, considering how little investment was made in the summer. Yeah he's got his flaws but overall he's doing a very decent job. Really looking forward to the next game. Yet you come in and read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Im also a sucker for punishment, but im equally as frustrated by the constant drivel. Win away 0-3, and still such a negative vibe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Im also a sucker for punishment. But im equally as frustrated by the constant drivel. Win away 0-3, and still such a negative vibe. Nothing about the 3-0 is getting a negative vibe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Obviously i'm no fan and my hate of him came from the dire football he gave us. Now it's been much much better so while i'm not convinced by him it would be daft not to praise the improvement. I'm still baffled by one thing at the moment, why play for possession at Man Utd and at Palace (and do it so well). Yet give it up at home to Southampton. It makes no sense. It makes the style of play last season even more baffling. When he goes on about tiredness, you get less tired by keeping possession than you do chasing it. I'm just hoping he sticks with 4-3-3, it gets the best out of Cabaye and the team as a consequence. We play better football, we win more matches and with a couple more players we could be very very good. I'm going to enjoy this while it lasts, unfortunately with Ashley you just know something is around the corner to spoil it all (not even Pardew's fault tbf). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chizzletooth Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 There's little to complain about at the moment, which makes the relentless anti Pardew bile more wearisome than ever to read. 30 points is an excellent return, considering how little investment was made in the summer. Yeah he's got his flaws but overall he's doing a very decent job. Really looking forward to the next game. Yet you come in and read it. Yeah well, masochism is a big part of being a Newcastle fan, as you well know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'm still baffled by one thing at the moment, why play for possession at Man Utd and at Palace (and do it so well). Yet give it up at home to Southampton. It makes no sense. I agree with this, especially when in his interview after the match where he said he chose the tactic of taking the possession. So clearly he picks and chooses his games in which he thinks it's best to play counter football or like yesterday control the tempo. I said after the Southampton game i felt he was largely responsible for us not getting 3 points but i wasn't going to criticise too much because i felt he hasn't done too much wrong this season and been excellent overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 It might be my imagination but I have a feeling he's developed a bit as a manager... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'm still baffled by one thing at the moment, why play for possession at Man Utd and at Palace (and do it so well). Yet give it up at home to Southampton. It makes no sense. I agree with this, especially when in his interview after the match where he said he chose the tactic of taking the possession. So clearly he picks and chooses his games in which he thinks it's best to play counter football or like yesterday control the tempo. I said after the Southampton game i felt he was largely responsible for us not getting 3 points but i wasn't going to criticise too much because i felt he hasn't done too much wrong this season and been excellent overall. It is a strange way to do it, we should look for possession in every game, and you're right he hasn't done too much wrong. Us getting pushed back too much when he doesn't react to the opposition would be one thing we need to look at. Virtually never coming from behind is another. My only angry moment was the 'lets win for Mike' comment. Just an unforgivable thing to say. But overall, the football is better (no matter the luck), the table doesn't lie. Beating Chelsea, Tottenham and Man Utd without letting any in, and with two of those games being away. You don't do that with just luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 It might be my imagination but I have a feeling he's developed a bit as a manager... He seems to learn, unfortunately when thing aren't broke (or fixed) he tries to change it (Ben Arfa). He is doing well at the moment so I can't knock him but I also can't hold out hope this will continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 You could clearly hear him throughout the game "keep it", "pass it", "get up." That I like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 You could clearly hear him throughout the game "keep it", "pass it", "get up." That I like! The days of kicking it over the midfield might really be behind us... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I'd absolutely love it if he had changed his outlook, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He was shouting ''Forward''' a lot. Though I imagine he did that last year too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 'No more goals!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 He actually looked annoyed at one point. I think it was a moment of play by Tiote who just aimed it long aimlessly, surrendering possession. Yesterday was arguably the best we have played all season in terms of controlling play, possession, working the opposition etc., made all the more pleasing because of the shitty conditions. There is no excuses now mind because we have shown we are capable of playing very good football and getting at the opposition. Pardew is also showing he is becoming capable of setting the team up to play this way. We need to maintain it all the way through the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 But that's not assessing the strengths and weaknesses of the players. It's not as simple as saying, 'we should play this style all the time', because that doesn't necessarily suit our personnel when taking into account the opposition and their style, strengths and weaknesses. We've shown we can play possession football to frustrate teams away from home but we've not shown that it's something we can do when we need play through teams that look to shut space down, especially when they come to our place. I don't think we've got enough specialists in tight areas to really make it our proper philosophy. We've seen lots of teams come here over the last few years and look to give us the ball, frustrate and catch us on the break and we've often looked a bit clueless in terms of breaking those barriers down. We spend so much time worrying about the opposition that we don't have a style of play that we can call our own. The main reason we've often looked clueless is because we don't have a well known way of playing which the players know well enough and that's part of why we had a season like last. We tried to work on the weaknesses of the opposition instead of our own strengths. Our players are suited to playing the type of game we played against Man U and Palace and that's why it worked for us. The better teams have a style of play that they know and that suits the players they have, we need the same. They suited that style in those situations, that doesn't mean they can play like that in every game. Away games are naturally more open for us, you can't discount that when you look into how we should be playing. Manchester United have been the most successful domestic team in my lifetime, they've seldom had a defined style to me. In fact, I think the reason for their success has pretty much been that they've been a multi-faceted team that can adapt their strategy to different situations. I just don't look at these players and think they can play possession-based tiki-taka style stuff, it's just not what they're best at. We can go possession, at times, but it's not something we should exclusively be doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Man United was still the best performance for me. Man United were average and we beat them with possession football. Palace were just really, really s***. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Could Mick go through the 20 teams in the division and tell me the defined styles of play? I'm sure he could teach me a thing or two and I'm all ears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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