Hanshithispantz Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I suppose we were unlucky that the officials we were gifted decided they were going to rule out our goal for no apparent reason, like. A less bent group and we go into half time level. It's all semantics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley. Typical? How so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) Aye, taking advantage of poor defending isn't luck in the slightest. Stoke going mental wasn't lucky, it was convenient and most welcome but if they decide to go mad and foul like fuck that's just poor indiscipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley. Sorry but this makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Yes I do. What's your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Yes I do. What's your point? the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Yes I do. What's your point? the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ? Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Yes I do. What's your point? the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ? Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck. would you say it's bad luck ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 a) I don't think that decision today was luck b) what luck have we had this season ? Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason. if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner. like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city. Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but. the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team) How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck. everey week. don't you watch games ? Yes I do. What's your point? the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ? Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck. would you say it's bad luck ? We are losing games because we aren't good enough to win without our best players - any of them - and we lack striking power. Oh - and also because Pardew is too cautious and often makes baffling substitutions - all of these.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Win = luck. Lose = Pardew is a cunt. Thought we all knew this by now? win = pardew got everything right perform well don't win = pardew got everything right lose = the players fault for not trying easy this weird that for some it's not acceptable to say pardew got the overall tactics right but fucked up a couple of key decisions which could have changed the game in our favour i was personally saying from about 55 minutes on that HBA should have come in as our attacking threat was very slowly declining and we needed a player who could go past a man, all too often we were very static and playing the ball sideways while citeh stood in front of us...we were keeping them at bay but not really getting anywhere, we only have one player capable of opening up a game like that and he shouldn't be sitting on the bench 'til 80 mins tbh awful decision to remove anita given the game cabaye had, absolutely fucking awful, but appoint a coward you get cowardly choices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley. Ashley has no pattern to his madness other than being cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Getting a bit annoying that we've got options in the front positions yet this man's idea of rotating it, is switching from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2 with Shola in for Anita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The luck debate again Interpolic and Mojorisin talking sense though, keep it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Only gripes were the inclusion of Saylor and the Anita for Cisse sub. Though thoroughly classless comments to Pelligrini, but he's been known for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Only gripes were the inclusion of Saylor and the Anita for Cisse sub. Though thoroughly classless comments to Pelligrini, but he's been known for them. I had no idea. What did he say or do before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley. Ashley has no pattern to his madness other than being cheap That's why. Nobody expects it to happen now. He's pulled things out of the hat before. It's not supposed to make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 His subs came too late, I was saying to my Dad around 60-65 mins he needs to change it or the time will be gone n they will get another. We are truly shocking in final 3rd, dont look joined up and waste every opportunity. Pardew has to change that front 4 somehow, whether thats dropping Gouff, With Cisse coming in and Remy right or bring Ben Arfa in for few games. The Centre midfield did their job but players in front were hopeless. I also cant believe his attacking change is bringing on a full back. The back 4 were fine, need changes in front 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Fair to say that Pardew's rant at Pelligrini is getting more media coverage than the disallowed goal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Fair to say that Pardew's rant at Pelligrini is getting more media coverage than the disallowed goal? Aye, disgusting decision. It was is whether gouff was there or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 @lee_ryder: FA are set to probe Alan Pardew over comments. He was in the wrong but lots of managers do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Easy enough for me, win despite him, lose because of him. Project that to league finishing positions too. The best squad in living memory and people are conditioned to believe that current ambitions are acceptable. It wasn't long ago Newcastle were mixing it with the best, 3rd-best supported team in the country. Any lack of commercial revenue bullshit excuse is directly Ashley's fault too. Add up player sales, subtract player buys, factor in TV money and you can see this club is being bled dry. Voting with feet is the only way, my money's been going to a different club and will continue until the philosophy changes. Viva los Liones, Athletic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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