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Second guessing Ashley is a fools game.

 

Agreed, but looking at all of his appointments to date there does seem to be some kind of pattern in terms of where HE himself gets ideas from regarding the men he appoints or has appointed.

 

With KK there is enough evidence and outside talk to hint that SJH planted the idea in Ashley's head to bring KK back.

 

When KK left in come Kinnear, an old friend of Ashley and someone known to the then Director of Football Dennis Wise.

 

When Kinnear had a heart attack and with Newcastle in danger of relegation in came Alan Shearer, the man to save us from relegation, a club legend. Who recommended him I do not know, most likely it came from Llambias, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the idea was Ashley's own.

 

With the club relegated and Ashley wanting to sell up, there was no point in hiring Shearer long-term so they went with the cheapest and most obvious choice in Hughton to run things as a caretaker. When it looked like we were certain to go up he was appointed full-time, a logical decision and arguably the most considered of Ashley's reign.

 

Following promotion Hughton was sacked mid-way through the season and in came Pardew out of the blue - a big pal of Llambias. You don't need to be a genius to work out where the idea of appointing Pardew came from.

 

Its clear to me that Ashley has no clue about football whatsoever and so he goes with the opinions and ideas of those he trusts most or those closest to him. With Lambias gone and Kinnear gone, all he knows is Pardew and the football aside and some results aside, he is doing a good job for Ashley so unless we are heading down or the squad all turn on Pardew, there is no real reason to get shot.

 

The head butting incident would have been the opportunity to get rid, but he didn't and still he remains.

 

Who would he appoint if Pardew was to get the sack? He doesn't have a grasp on football to say appoint someone like Rodgers from Swansea like Liverpool did or bring in a left-field coach from abroad like Southampton did.

 

Our next manager will be someone out of work, cheap and from way back. A Curbishley, an O'Leary perhaps.

 

Unless Charnley who clearly has the trust of Ashley or even someone like Carr can advise and point him in the direction of someone different, that is. I doubt it though.

 

Our saving grace with Pardew is that to me, he looks like a man who wants out, his team selections, his crazy clap-trap and a whole host of other things point to me anyway of someone who just doesn't give a f*** anymore and in a way you can see why.

 

He is working for someone who gives him no real control but asks him to be a figurehead, a leader of a club run on a skeleton crew, for a pittance compared to what other managers are paid by their respective clubs, while he is constantly losing his best players. Now I know he his chief salesman in that regard, but that's his job, that's what he is charged with doing. He cannot go home, however, happy to lose the likes of Ba and Cabaye, especially with no real replacements.

 

The total turn-around on Ben Arfa is also a huge hint of his true intentions, its like he's wanting fans to turn on him in order to make the owner sit up and take notice and fire him. He would never walk, he's too egotistical for that. He's wanting paid off.

 

His stock is still quite high too, especially among the all important Southern Press. He could land a role at Palace or West Ham and would get paid handsomely for it. He'd also get control of transfers etc. To many outside of Newcastle he is doing a great job at Newcastle fighting fires, working under Ashley, having his best players sold constantly with no replacements. That 5th place season and manager of the year award will make damn sure should he get sacked there would be no shortage of clubs looking to appoint him.

 

For us fans, we have to put up with hopeless performances, embarrassing defeats in the hope something gives. We are governed by a c*** off the pitch and one on it. Who would be a Toon fan eh....

 

I went to the Gateshead - Macclesfield game yesterday and I've never enjoyed myself more in many a year. Over 250 lads, lasses and bairns and old blokes having a great time. All former Toon fans, never ex Toon fans, because we will never get divorced will we?!

 

Good post making some interesting points. I fear Pardew shunting Ben Arfa is not some masterstroke to get his compensation however.

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Is there anything more uninspiring than Moyes/Pulis to Nufc?

Yeah, i know the idea of Pardew staying is worse.

But f*** me, both c***s i mentioned is two negative dinosaurs and the personification of everything that is wrong with English football.

 

I know you pretty much want anyone except Pardew, but come on.

 

 

Absolutely incredible. Judging Moyes on one season makes you no better than the arseholes who bring up Pardew finishing 5th.

 

Not many people are judging Moyes on one season, he was at Everton a long time. They played pretty dogged football for most of that time, although to be fair, they looked good last season. His failure at Man U though has shown his limitations. Football has moved on, and so have Everton. That's what we need to do as well.

 

We played pretty dogged football at the start of his tenure because of the incredible amount of s**** we had on our books. He took a team which regularly included Big Dunc, Marcus Bent, Carsley, Kilbane, Pistone, Weir and Stubbs (to name just a few) to 4th. Did we play pretty football? Occasionally, not regularly. And it was exactly the right thing to do given we didn't have a pot to p*ss in and were stuck with generally poor players.

 

He then recognised that if we were to progress - or even maintain our standards in the face of several teams with infinitely superior spending power - we need to buy better footballers but smartly, with Pienaar and Arteta being the 2 prime examples. This pattern continued as the years went by, albeit we were again limited due to a distinct lack of funds. It's not just last season we started playing better, we've been improving aesthetically for the past 6 or 7 years.

 

His problem, as was the case throughout his time here, was his mentality. His actual acquisitions improved in terms of footballing quality and we more regularly played better football, but in the crunch moments he was let down by a lack of bottle and having to settle for 1 point when we should have got 3. This is what Martinez has changed.

 

I think Moyes would be a good appointment for you, if that does transpire. He's obviously a million times better than Pardew and I'm pretty confident he'd get you challenging for the European positions. While I wouldn't expect people to be lining the streets in celebration upon his hypothetical appointment, the question you have to ask yourself is who better would you realistically get in this summer? Your assertion that football has moved on is a bit OTT but I can see what you're getting at; but that's all well and good in an idealist world. I think Moyes would represent a very good move, if he were interested.

:thup: I honestly cannot remember ever hearing Everton being described as a defensive or boring team during his tenture, only since Martinez took over and Moyes' is failing at Man Utd.

 

For real?  :lol:

 

 

Same s*** as Pardew, but Moyes was better at it AND was able to bring in the right players for it, unlike Pardew.

If we get Moyes, we can sack Carr.

 

So, just to get this straight, you would only get rid of Pardew if we got someone that was massively better? And that isn't David Moyes? A manager that had Everton consistently near the top of the table on a limited budget?

 

You do realise that pretty much anyone in the Premier League is a massive improvement on Pardew, aye? They're NOTHING alike, just ask Neil or any other Everton fan what they think of Moyes. Meanwhile ask any NUFC fan, including yourself what they/you think of Pardew and then look at where Everton Finished, the way he had them playing towards the end of his tenure and then ask yourself the question "Would I take Moyes?" then, if the answer is anything other than "Fucking hell, of course I would, and we'd be incredibly lucky to get him here!" then you should be very, very ashamed of yourself.

 

Yeah, but did you did not get this straight...

I would personally get rid of Pardew if i knew Kim jong-un was to succeed him,  so that is not the question for me. I can`t stand the fraud. :lol:

 

However, i do not rate Moyes as highly as some here. He did a good job at Everton, but he is a limited manager. Simple as.

You make it as Pardew out / Moyes in is the only viable option. I just say that its a uninspiring appointment, and that i hope we would look for a better fit for the club.

A manager with a different football philosophy, and one that would work better with our recruitment policy.

 

If Pardew was sacked tomorrow and Moyes was appointed i would be delighted  :lol: I would not wank myself silly because we appointed Moyes, but because we sacked Pardew.

 

 

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Talking about the head-butting incident as a "reason for Ashley to sack him".

 

This man seemingly needs no reason to do whatever he wants. He'll sack Pardew when he feels appropriate.

 

I'd guess one thing that might prompt it happening is the fact that his "investments" are reducing in value under him for the better part of 18 months now. He'll be struggling to run the club with a self-financing model if selling players becomes bad business. Nobody apart from Krul and perhaps someone else will be sold for any significant money now.

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Don't think there's much/any doubt that the vast majority of our fans would have been happy/delighted/ecstatic if Moyes had been appointed last summer.

 

Of course they would  :lol: :lol:

 

How would it look after we finished 5th you think?

 

 

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“They weren’t bad people. They let me eat, they let me sleep, they gave me my life”

— A hostage from Flight 847

 

‘Stockholm Syndrome’ is a condition whereby a victim begins to empathise with the person abusing them, Wikipedia says victims sometimes get “to the point of defending and identifying with them.”

 

It goes on to say, “These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.  Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat. Roughly 8% of victims show evidence of Stockholm syndrome.”

 

Reading the views of a minority of Newcastle fans on The Mag, Twitter, forums and so on, I am convinced that the only people that remain defending Alan Pardew are textbook examples of Stockholm Syndrome.  Newcastle United’s 8%.

 

Pardew has provided Newcastle fans with their heaviest home defeat in 87 years, the worst run of defeats in Newcastle’s Premier League history, consecutive 3 nil embarrassments at the feet of the Mackems, three, four and five goal defeats to Hull, Man U, Spurs, Everton (twice), Southampton, Swansea, Chelsea and Man City.

 

Supporters defending that can only be doing so in the mistaken, psychologically induced state of mind whereby handing Swansea their first away win in 13 attempts, by just one injury time goal on Saturday, has come as some sort of twisted relief from the truly horrific batterings, which they pathetically want to show appreciation to their captor for.

 

Like a beaten puppy cowering in a dank corner afraid to make eye contact with any human, preferring to starve rather than even ask for food, in case they take another kicking.

The stream of statistics has been never ending.  Here’s another though.  Pardew has managed to get his team failing to score in almost three quarters of games (71%)  No one else in English league football has a record so bad.  If you buy a ticket for 4 Newcastle games (What will that cost? At least £120+) you’re likely to see them score just once.  You might think some other truly awful club will be running us close on that recent record, but no, they aren’t.

 

http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/Stockholm.jpg

 

The next closest is Wycombe Wanderers but they’ve been scoring just shy of a goal every 2 games.  I’m sure the tickets are cheaper there as well.

 

This is utterly lamentable stuff.

 

His defenders have one argument.  It’s all down to Mike Ashley.  Accepting the argument that Pardew is a victim too, lets him off lightly.  It puts him in the same boat as the rest of us fans.

 

Although he dedicates what wins we do achieve to Mike Ashley, although he blames the fans and press, while we legitimately ridicule his tactics, his motivational skills and his organisational ability, although he has full control of the team of proven quality players and the power to make changes while we have no power but to sit mute on the sidelines, being scolded by media pundits whenever we choose to even express dissatisfaction.

 

The notion that wider forces acting on the aggressor have forced them into their own hopeless predicament and pushed them to act against their own victim, is classic Stockholm.  Of course, it’s not justifiable.  Pardew has his own choices and must live with the consequences of his choices.  If he wants to work in such a high profile role under Ashley’s conditions, he has to show himself capable of doing so. As long as we, as his victims, meekly accept whatever disgraceful excuse for performances he throws at us, then we fully deserve everything we do get.

 

Note:  I have no mental health qualifications. If you believe you are suffering from the condition or have any questions on the validity of my analogy, please take that up with your local National Health Service professionals.

 

 

http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/failed-score/

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:lol:

 

Fair play like HF, you're making a genuine difference with these publicized posts/articles/stats and the more you convince the better. I just didn't want to let you off completely scot free :lol:

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