Manchester United

[Fak]

Just now, lovejoy said:

I think it’s a bizarre move from the manager to stick so rigidly to his style when it’s clearly going so awry.

 

I also think the decision to not start mainoo last night is worthy of huge criticism. I’d be alarmed by that.

Can only assume he was carrying a knock. No other reason not to start him. 

[lovejoy]

Maybe Ashworth was right on this one?

 

It’s very (very) early to tell mind , he’ll need at least 12 months until he’s judged.

 

but he’s had a honking start that’s for sure.

[Troll]

Just now, David Edgar said:

 

"I have to sell my idea" is the Amorim equivalent of ten Hag's "stick to the plan"  

 

 

Or Ange's "it's just who we are mate".

[lovejoy]

‘I don’t have another one’.

 

ouch.

[Tiresias]

I do get having a style and system, I dont get it so wedded to one specific formation. What's wrong with playing 4-3-3 if it sorts the defence out a bit and working towards 3-4-3 if thats waht you want to do? I really dont think they have the players, a dominant midfielder and wing backs are super necessary imo

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

I also think the decision to not start mainoo last night is worthy of huge criticism. I’d be alarmed by that.

 

Carrying an injury. Only barely made the squad. He was expected to be out.

[Heron]

31 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Sounds an awful lot like Ten Hag to me. 

Sounds a whole lot like Eddie Howe to me...

[David Edgar]

3 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

‘I don’t have another one’.

 

ouch.

 

Can imagine Ashworth imploding with rage listening to this man in meetings  

[Heron]

31 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

He has tweaked tactics so that we sit deeper or press higher but formation hasn't really changed I don't think apart from few times he switched to 3 at back?

As @TheBrownBottlesuggests we were more like 5 at the back at the start. 

[Lush Vlad]

45 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I don't think Dalot nor Mazraoui have the quality to play wing back in that system. Dalot is potentially capable on the right but is badly exposed on the left. There's just nobody else.

 

There's some stupid stat that we haven't not scored a goal when those two are wing backs, but when it's been Amad or Antony we've scored 9.

 

At the same time, he can't play Amad there as we don't have good enough #10's if Amad was to drop deeper, especially with Fernandes out.

 

Another fun stat: the last 4 games we've not had Fernandes - 0 goals.

 

I might have my timelines wrong. But what has happened to Dalot and Martinez? It feels like their drop off pre-dates Amorim coming in and the system change. 
 

I really rated both. But they look terrible whenever I’ve seen them this season. 
 

Maybe just an off night. But Diallo looked like a competition winner, too. Absolutely woeful. 

[David Edgar]

So that's Mazraoui and Dalot on the players who cannot play the system scrap pile with Rashford and Garnacho. I think all 4 are completely servicable players for a Premier League team. 

 

And this is a system that has yet to demonstrate any outstanding qualities. 

 

You can honestly see why Ashworth hit the implode button and ended up being kicked out. He could see the disaster unfolding before Rat et al and wasn't going to quietly suffer it.

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, David Edgar said:

So that's Mazraoui and Dalot on the players who cannot play the system scrap pile with Rashford and Garnacho. I think all 4 are completely servicable players for a Premier League team. 

 

And this is a system that has yet to demonstrate any outstanding qualities. 

 

You can honestly see why Ashworth hit the implode button and ended up being kicked out. He could see the disaster unfolding before Rat et al and wasn't going to quietly suffer it.

 

I think every Premier League footballer can play to a system, they just need some time to adjust surely?

 

Amorim has been in the job for 6 weeks man.  Can we all relax?

[Andy84]

Special mention for the “Butcher” Martinez, absolutely shite 

[aussiemag]

The only players I can see that would be wanted by other clubs are Garnacho and Dalot. Maybe those two sales (~50 mill) are enough to bring in some wing backs. 

[David Edgar]

Not when he is flying this many red flags at full mast on HMS Red Flag.

[aussiemag]

I would take Hojlund as backup to Isak. I do think his all-round game is decent and he would flourish more in a better side. 

[David Edgar]

1 minute ago, Andy84 said:

Special mention for the “Butcher” Martinez, absolutely shite 

 

Lisandro "the shoe buffer" Martínez

[RS]

Have we got any threads on other clubs in the bottom 7 of the league?

[Mikky]

19 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

"I have to sell my idea" is the Amorim equivalent of ten Hag's "stick to the plan"  

 

Reminds me of Bruce when he blamed it on Rafa’s 3-4-3 (him playing 5-3-2) - Took Howe about a week to convert the system into a 4 man backline 

[El Prontonise]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I think every Premier League footballer can play to a system, they just need some time to adjust surely?

 

Amorim has been in the job for 6 weeks man.  Can we all relax?

 

No, it's the internet and everyone wants Man Utd to fail.

[SteV]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

 

No, it's the internet and everyone wants Man Utd to fail.

*continue to fail

[El Prontonise]

5 minutes ago, Mikky said:

Reminds me of Bruce when he blamed it on Rafa’s 3-4-3 (him playing 5-3-2) - Took Howe about a week to convert the system into a 4 man backline 

 

We still only got 1 win in Howe's first 2 months.  There's different ways of approaching things.  Only takes a few things for things to fall apart or click.

 

Very very premature to be writing Amorim off as many are.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by El Prontonise

[madras]

23 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

"I have to sell my idea" is the Amorim equivalent of ten Hag's "stick to the plan"  

 

Strange thing for a manager to say. I can understand, just about, his sticking to a certain system if he thinks that once they get it it'll work, but "......my idea, I don't have another one" ?

 

I'm very wary of managers who have to be that rigid. I can buy into managers who want to be more passing based or more route one, high press or low block but we have to play this formation regardless of the personnel seems an admittance of lack of ability to get the best out if a squad.

[Sibierski]

It’s been said loads, but Man Utd are way off. Amorim must have seen some of Man Utd under ETH, where Case / Eriksen just don’t work. Even just any 2 CMs won’t work, but here we are, persisting with a 3-4-3 as it’s his only idea that’s centred on just 2 CMs.

 

It’s never going to work consistently in the Prem. Going to be out run. Three CBs, still weak defensively. Best attackers are Rashford and Garnacho. Both being sidelined because of training stuff (apparently only had 4 full training sessions, so nuts to discard them based on that). 
 

I’m 100% confident that if they lose next two games, Ratcliffe will sack him. Because his excuses only going to get weirder and more tiresome. 

[mouldy_uk]

Checks their next game

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by mouldy_uk