Manchester United

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

The thing about Antony is he has a great shot on him, and Amad overlapping might open up space for him to get that off?

 

I don't know man. It seems very difficult making these players work in Amorim's setup.

 

Too many headaches.

 

It needs a new LWB at an absolute minimum and a new #10 as soon as possible.

 

Amorim will get the two windows and the rest of the season to implement this idea, but I don't think he'll get as long as Ten Hag if it doesn't work.

[simonsays]

Martinez has played as a six before, right?  Surely Amorim.could.just put him in as an anchor who could drop into defence when needed so that they don't get overrun by an oppositions midfield 3

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

It needs a new LWB at an absolute minimum and a new #10 as soon as possible.

 

Amorim will get the two windows and the rest of the season to implement this idea, but I don't think he'll get as long as Ten Hag if it doesn't work.

 

Yeah, going to need to make some key moves in January in those positions.

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Yeah, going to need to make some key moves in January in those positions.

 

Which we can't do without sales. That'll be fun position to be in when negotiating.

[Nucasol]

41 minutes ago, Checko said:

At the end of the day Amorim has a decent beard and his name sounds like an interesting liqueur you pick up on your holidays. These are good qualities to build around.

Great head of hair unlike the bald pervert Ten Hag. That alone has to buy him an extra five games. 

[Stifler]

12 minutes ago, Froggy said:

It needs a new LWB at an absolute minimum and a new #10 as soon as possible.

 

Amorim will get the two windows and the rest of the season to implement this idea, but I don't think he'll get as long as Ten Hag if it doesn't work.

Ten Hag was clearly the wrong choice, but for a manager to do well you need nigh on a full clear out of your squad. It’s not going to work giving a manager a couple of windows, then sacking them. 2 windows isn’t enough to change pretty much the full team up when you have players on contracts that are better than what they will get elsewhere, look at us.

[KingArthur]

11 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, going to need to make some key moves in January in those positions.

Amorim said yesterday that no moves will be made in January (maybe he meant without someone leaving)

[David Edgar]

We should save Dalot from them as our long-term Trippier replacement.

[aussiemag]

I don’t see how they shift players on to other clubs. No club is going to match the wages they are picking up at Man Utd. 

[lovejoy]

I think it’s a bizarre move from the manager to stick so rigidly to his style when it’s clearly going so awry.

 

I also think the decision to not start mainoo last night is worthy of huge criticism. I’d be alarmed by that.

[David Edgar]

 

"I have to sell my idea" is the Amorim equivalent of ten Hag's "stick to the plan"  

 

[Troll]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

Like he said in his interview last night, he's there because the team was losing and the previous manager was sacked. Now people want him to go back to that system that got the previous manager sacked? He needs to stick to his idea and see who's going to be playing for him next season.

 

Eriksen and Casemiro are fourth and fifth choice midfielders for us. They never really had any hope against a strong midfield that was bang in form, and the formation wouldn't really have mattered. Game shifted when Mainoo came on, but the damage was already done.

 

His "idea" needs wing backs and you don't have any.  Is he really so inflexible he can only play one formation and has to shoehorn the wrong players into it, and can't adapt to work with what he has?

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Which we can't do without sales. That'll be fun position to be in when negotiating.

 

2 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Amorim said yesterday that no moves will be made in January (maybe he meant without someone leaving)

 

Think they will figure something out.

 

The situation is quite bad, I just can't see them not doing anything.

[Fak]

Just now, lovejoy said:

I think it’s a bizarre move from the manager to stick so rigidly to his style when it’s clearly going so awry.

 

I also think the decision to not start mainoo last night is worthy of huge criticism. I’d be alarmed by that.

Can only assume he was carrying a knock. No other reason not to start him. 

[lovejoy]

Maybe Ashworth was right on this one?

 

It’s very (very) early to tell mind , he’ll need at least 12 months until he’s judged.

 

but he’s had a honking start that’s for sure.

[Troll]

Just now, David Edgar said:

 

"I have to sell my idea" is the Amorim equivalent of ten Hag's "stick to the plan"  

 

 

Or Ange's "it's just who we are mate".

[lovejoy]

‘I don’t have another one’.

 

ouch.

[Tiresias]

I do get having a style and system, I dont get it so wedded to one specific formation. What's wrong with playing 4-3-3 if it sorts the defence out a bit and working towards 3-4-3 if thats waht you want to do? I really dont think they have the players, a dominant midfielder and wing backs are super necessary imo

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

I also think the decision to not start mainoo last night is worthy of huge criticism. I’d be alarmed by that.

 

Carrying an injury. Only barely made the squad. He was expected to be out.

[Heron]

31 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Sounds an awful lot like Ten Hag to me. 

Sounds a whole lot like Eddie Howe to me...

[David Edgar]

3 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

‘I don’t have another one’.

 

ouch.

 

Can imagine Ashworth imploding with rage listening to this man in meetings  

[Heron]

31 minutes ago, nufc4eva said:

He has tweaked tactics so that we sit deeper or press higher but formation hasn't really changed I don't think apart from few times he switched to 3 at back?

As @TheBrownBottlesuggests we were more like 5 at the back at the start. 

[Lush Vlad]

45 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I don't think Dalot nor Mazraoui have the quality to play wing back in that system. Dalot is potentially capable on the right but is badly exposed on the left. There's just nobody else.

 

There's some stupid stat that we haven't not scored a goal when those two are wing backs, but when it's been Amad or Antony we've scored 9.

 

At the same time, he can't play Amad there as we don't have good enough #10's if Amad was to drop deeper, especially with Fernandes out.

 

Another fun stat: the last 4 games we've not had Fernandes - 0 goals.

 

I might have my timelines wrong. But what has happened to Dalot and Martinez? It feels like their drop off pre-dates Amorim coming in and the system change. 
 

I really rated both. But they look terrible whenever I’ve seen them this season. 
 

Maybe just an off night. But Diallo looked like a competition winner, too. Absolutely woeful. 

[David Edgar]

So that's Mazraoui and Dalot on the players who cannot play the system scrap pile with Rashford and Garnacho. I think all 4 are completely servicable players for a Premier League team. 

 

And this is a system that has yet to demonstrate any outstanding qualities. 

 

You can honestly see why Ashworth hit the implode button and ended up being kicked out. He could see the disaster unfolding before Rat et al and wasn't going to quietly suffer it.

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, David Edgar said:

So that's Mazraoui and Dalot on the players who cannot play the system scrap pile with Rashford and Garnacho. I think all 4 are completely servicable players for a Premier League team. 

 

And this is a system that has yet to demonstrate any outstanding qualities. 

 

You can honestly see why Ashworth hit the implode button and ended up being kicked out. He could see the disaster unfolding before Rat et al and wasn't going to quietly suffer it.

 

I think every Premier League footballer can play to a system, they just need some time to adjust surely?

 

Amorim has been in the job for 6 weeks man.  Can we all relax?