Guest firetotheworks Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Areet, do you want to calm down? Well for a start, you've just said that they've 'wasted money on s****' so if they're s****, how are they the supposed superstars that you're on about? When Man City for example, spunk money on players like Otamendi or Stones for example, I don't think of them having 'a team full of superstars' I just think of them wasting money on players who aren't good enough for the level they want to be at. The same applies to Barca. It's an extreme example, but if you spent £50m on Colback you wouldn't be seen as making superstar signing would you? You'd just be a certified mentalist. The money means nothing if you're wasting it, and Barca clearly have. If they were hoovering up talent like with the level of success that Bayern or Real do, you'd have a point, but they don't. Well that's just bad management decisions. They spent 40 million on Andre Gomes and 30 million on Paco Alcacer. They are trying to 'hoover up talent' in the same way any other of the big clubs do, they've just done it badly. They have the highest wagebill in the world. Quite a bit more than either Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. I'd love to know again why you think they are any different or more special than these other clubs. I'm pretty sure my post explained why like, but like I just said, because imo the money spent means nothing if you're wasting it. Put more succinctly, you said that they were a team full of superstar signings, my point is that they're a team full of superstar fees and that's the difference. Look at Real's squad, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema, Modric, Kroos, Marcelo, Isco, Casemiro, then they're looking at M'Bappe. With Barca, the talent is so highly concentrated in that main three, and once you get beyond those three the quality's not there in the same way it is at Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, or arguably Man City. By your own notion of what a superstar is, Casemiro and Marcelo are not superstars. Both were bought when they nobodies, if Barca bought them they'd be praised to the hills. Agreed. I'd edited my posted to 'mostly' rather than 'all' but it was too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'm sure deep down you realise this fact, but are still arguing otherwise because you like Barca and Messi. Wtf are you on about? Not sure how you can miss my point this spectacularly like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Sewelly's point is correct, even if KI is also right semantically. There, done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now Yes he was, the whole of Europe was after him. Specifically after he ruined Rio Ferdinand's ankles in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now He was arguably predicted to go on to be better than he already is, so I'd say he was, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now Good "post" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'm saying this as somebody who always admired, and favoured Barcelona. Have been to the Nou Camp twice. But the way they've been ran in the last decade has made them absolutely as much of a 'super club' as anybody else. Absolutely. Loved them as a kid and have been to the Nou Camp loads. Now just as minging as City, Chelsea, Bayern, Real et al. Part of the destruction of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'd argue that Barca's always been that way and it's only really during that time when they had amazing home grown players coming through that they were really any different. They'd always bought the best players in the world, they're just absolutely shite at it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now Good "post" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Depends what you class a "superstar" as tbh. The Real team may be "full" of them now, but for example was Benzema a "superstar" in 2009 when he signed? His goal record at Lyon was comparable to Giroud at Arsenal now Good "post" " " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 I'd argue that Barca's always been that way and it's only really during that time when they had amazing home grown players coming through that they were really any different. They'd always bought the best players in the world, they're just absolutely s**** at it now. This is true mind, pre Guardiola it was all mostly foreign stars rather than home grown players. Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Marquez etc etc, of course they had the likes of Xavi and Puyol too but in my life time this is who they were before Iniesta, Messi, Busquets, Pedro etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Just seen Tottenham might in for Jeremy Toljan, for a real low price too. Really impressed at the Euro U21's. Shame we aren't in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 He probably wouldn't leave CL Hoffenheim for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 He probably wouldn't leave CL Hoffenheim for us. True, but you don't know unless you try. Apparently he only has 12 months on his contract and wants to move to England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Phil Bardsley to Burnley. Fucking Sean Dyche. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Phil Bardsley to Burnley. f***ing Sean Dyche. That's good for us Who gives a fuck about Burnley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Phil Bardsley to Burnley. Fucking Sean Dyche. Absolutely disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Phil Bardsley to Burnley. f***ing Sean Dyche. Absolutely disgusting. Am I missing something here? Do we WANT Burnley to be good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Dyche wonders why he doesn't get credit (he does) but then signs Walters and Bardsley. What a clogger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Like Dyche but those signings are fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Does Dyche hate foreigners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 West Ham have made four cracking signings but god knows what the combined wages will be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Walters is canny in fairness when you consider Burnley will play to his strengths. Ideal player for them imo. But Bardsley In no other 'top' league in Europe would he play in- absolute filth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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