SiLvOR Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I genuinely don't understand how he even made it through academies and even got to this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 fwiw, with players like Gini, Shelvey, Sissoko and Ayoze around him, Colback can and will be a very effective cog in our system. He's not a player I'd ever want being the focal point of our midfield, that's exactly what Shelvey will be, but he be a solid and very much unspectacular functioning member of the midfield who can do all the mundane things that go unnoticed consistently. Our problem was that we were pairing him with another cog player and expecting way too much from him. If we keep the rest of the midfield fit, I've got no problem with him starting and keeping things ticking over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinoasprilla Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 He has nothing about him at all. By a cog you mean others can shield the fact he is a cowardly footballer. When he leaves us he will drift down the leagues before burning to a crisp in the Indian Premier League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I just think that he does a lot of stuff that will go unnoticed. He's competent and consistent at the very least. Mr dependable. The litmus test for this will be as to whether he's still in the squad in a year or two. I know it's NUFC and all, so he may remain by default... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 He is consistent at being crap, that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 He's competent and consistent at the very least. Mr dependable. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I just think that he does a lot of stuff that will go unnoticed. He's competent and consistent at the very least. Mr dependable. The litmus test for this will be as to whether he's still in the squad in a year or two. I know it's NUFC and all, so he may remain by default... He goes unnoticed because he hides. You can depend on him to not affect a game at all. The lad is utter wank and I wish people would look pass their bias. He contributes nothing in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Should never be a starting cm in the premier league at all. Wouldn't start in any other side, gets a pass because he's local Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Dependable at being shit at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I do feel a lot of this hatred exists because the club got itself in a position where too much has been demanded/expected of Colback. If we'd have replaced Cabaye properly, then Colback could have been the player I expect him to become for us in the coming months. In and out of the first team as required, doing the basics alongside Shelvey. Then, there'd never have been cause for such criticism as a) we'd have been doing a hell of a lot better in the league and so our energies wouldn't be so focused on tearing apart our average/lesser players and b) Colback could stick to the basics and get appreciated as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hatred exists because he's fucking crap, no need to analyse it any further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Nah, we still would have focused on him because he is shit, you always look at the crap players as that is an obvious way to improve just as Danny Simpson was shit He will stand out even more now because Shelvey will be everything this guy wishes he was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 He's a cowardly shithouse of a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think Beautiful Day makes fair points; but there's an accepted view on here, let's call it a strong belief, that JC is cowardly, hides, never passes forward, deliberately chalks up passes to make his stats look better (inference this pulls the wool over seasoned pros and managers re his competence...), is such a poor player he wouldn't get into any side other than ours, oh and he only does that because of some weird contract shenanigans which means he has to play if fit; also he sniffs his mother's knickers, and may be more suited to a gig on the Green market as an apprentice butcher (may have made the last two-up...well, one of them). Like other strong beliefs (politics, religion, which team we support etc) there's not much point directly challenging it. Events/complicated s*** like someone's value to the team isn't passively received—it's not recorded in everybody's brain like some flickering video with the same images for all of us: “Look man, frame four, he f***ing fell ower, HE’s s***!!”— we actively perceive everything, i.e. our beliefs act like directors shifting focus, selectively attending to what is going on, cutting here and dismissing there. Personally, I have been more exasperated by him this season (in the main). But in general I can appreciate that kind of player, call it a water-carrier if you want to be all Gallic (psuedo American Gallic) and dismissive, but just like Deschamps, I think that in particular formations you need one or even two lads like that in the team. Suspect I am also a bit biased as my son plays a similar role for a very successful junior side in the North West. He's not the one hitting 20 yard screamers, or chucking in half a dozen Ronaldo/Messi etc moves when on a run. But without him in midfield, they don't look any near effective, and he gets more Man of the Match awards (from Academy coaching staff) than those more ostensibly skilful/show-boaty ‘match-winning’ players. Appreciate that Colback doesn’t, and as I’ve said he has disappointed. However, on his day he really makes a difference, and I believe he did make a positive contribution (hassling, harrying, closing down, cutting out, narrowing the angle, breaking up the flow — of the opposition even at times — in the main, last season. I’m personally quite curious to see whether Shelvey as a linchpin means he doesn’t need to pirouette and change tack quite so often; he doesn’t look so “cowardly”, which a lot of the time is I suspect is him just playing within his skill set, desperate not to lose the ball. People will continue to see what they attend to. Personally, I hope Saivet gets a run in the team. Competition is good, and JC may be better with a bit more desperation to prove himself. Worth thinking though, if there is anything which doesn’t fit with your beliefs about him, and if anything springs to mind, do you find yourself immediately dismissing it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I've had the pleasure of watching him crawl around on his hands and knees twice for two matches in a row and yet I'm still reading people defending his ability as a footballer. Amazing. Have we established why he replaced Dummett at left back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think the fact you have to take such a higher ground and look so hard into the unnoticed is its own answer to the question of is he really shit or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think Beautiful Day makes fair points; but there's an accepted view on here, let's call it a strong belief, that JC is cowardly, hides, never passes forward, deliberately chalks up passes to make his stats look better (inference this pulls the wool over seasoned pros and managers re his competence...), is such a poor player he wouldn't get into any side other than ours, oh and he only does that because of some weird contract shenanigans which means he has to play if fit; also he sniffs his mother's knickers, and may be more suited to a gig on the Green market as an apprentice butcher (may have made the last two-up...well, one of them). Like other strong beliefs (politics, religion, which team we support etc) there's not much point directly challenging it. Events/complicated s*** like someone's value to the team isn't passively received—it's not recorded in everybody's brain like some flickering video with the same images for all of us: “Look man, frame four, he f***ing fell ower, HE’s s***!!”— we actively perceive everything, i.e. our beliefs act like directors shifting focus, selectively attending to what is going on, cutting here and dismissing there. Personally, I have been more exasperated by him this season (in the main). But in general I can appreciate that kind of player, call it a water-carrier if you want to be all Gallic (psuedo American Gallic) and dismissive, but just like Deschamps, I think that in particular formations you need one or even two lads like that in the team. Suspect I am also a bit biased as my son plays a similar role for a very successful junior side in the North West. He's not the one hitting 20 yard screamers, or chucking in half a dozen Ronaldo/Messi etc moves when on a run. But without him in midfield, they don't look any near effective, and he gets more Man of the Match awards (from Academy coaching staff) than those more ostensibly skilful/show-boaty ‘match-winning’ players. Appreciate that Colback doesn’t, and as I’ve said he has disappointed. However, on his day he really makes a difference, and I believe he did make a positive contribution (hassling, harrying, closing down, cutting out, narrowing the angle, breaking up the flow — of the opposition even at times — in the main, last season. I’m personally quite curious to see whether Shelvey as a linchpin means he doesn’t need to pirouette and change tack quite so often; he doesn’t look so “cowardly”, which a lot of the time is I suspect is him just playing within his skill set, desperate not to lose the ball. People will continue to see what they attend to. Personally, I hope Saivet gets a run in the team. Competition is good, and JC may be better with a bit more desperation to prove himself. Worth thinking though, if there is anything which doesn’t fit with your beliefs about him, and if anything springs to mind, do you find yourself immediately dismissing it? http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140316005546/creepypasta/images/7/7e/Enter_key.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Hatred exists because he's f***ing crap, no need to analyse it any further. TBH no. I don't hate him because he's crap. I hate him because he's crap and a shoe-in to start every match possible for us until he retires OR Ashley sells the club and we get a manager with the balls to drop him. For what it's worth, I still have a feeling that as soon as Saivet is up to speed, he'll replace Colback in the line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 That too Well and that he's only at the club because of Pardew as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not sure about Mole, suspect any Newcastle manager would have considered a freebie at teh time, and he was clear he wanted to leave the Makems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not sure about Mole, suspect any Newcastle manager would have considered a freebie at teh time, and he was clear he wanted to leave the Makems. We have become so small-time, pards made it sound like it was such a major coup that we brought jack fucking colback HOME. on a FREE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not sure about Mole, suspect any Newcastle manager would have considered a freebie at teh time, and he was clear he wanted to leave the Makems. We have become so small-time, pards made it sound like it was such a major coup that we brought jack f***ing colback HOME. on a FREE. Just about everything Pardew 'spun' though his self-aggrandising patter left a bad taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I do feel a lot of this hatred exists because the club got itself in a position where too much has been demanded/expected of Colback. If we'd have replaced Cabaye properly, then Colback could have been the player I expect him to become for us in the coming months. In and out of the first team as required, doing the basics alongside Shelvey. Then, there'd never have been cause for such criticism as a) we'd have been doing a hell of a lot better in the league and so our energies wouldn't be so focused on tearing apart our average/lesser players and b) Colback could stick to the basics and get appreciated as such. I can say I expected absolutely fuck all from him as I thought that he was abysmal when we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not sure about Mole, suspect any Newcastle manager would have considered a freebie at teh time, and he was clear he wanted to leave the Makems. Aye he was free but only reason it happened was because of Pardew and considering it's acted like a noose around our necks ever since it gave more reasons to hate Pardew. As if i didn't have a novel length sized list of them as is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I thought he was better than usual yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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