Hatem Ben Arfa (now retired?)

[Alto]

When you read his entire interview, in French, it gives a different image than the one carried in the english press, which reproduces some of HBA's quotes in isolation with the context, and that are not representative of his speech.

When he says he’s been « through hell", it was not abot his stay at Newcastle as such, but more like a personal state of mind. He says that several things in a row have played against him. Indeed, there was what happened in Newcastle (and even here he only talks about a period that started in 2014), but also problems with Steve Bruce at Hull City, and finally, when he thinks he can finally play, then Fifa says no.

Most of the article is about how he recovered.

The whole picture does not look as bad as it sounds for Newcastle, and his intention were not to bash anyone. I think.

[BottledDog]

When you read his entire interview, in French, it gives a different image than the one carried in the english press, which reproduces some of HBA's quotes in isolation with the context, and that are not representative of his speech.

When he says he’s been « through hell", it was not abot his stay at Newcastle as such, but more like a personal state of mind. He says that several things in a row have played against him. Indeed, there was what happened in Newcastle (and even here he only talks about a period that started in 2014), but also problems with Steve Bruce at Hull City, and finally, when he thinks he can finally play, then Fifa says no.

Most of the article is about how he recovered.

The whole picture does not look as bad as it sounds for Newcastle, and his intention were not to bash anyone. I think.

 

Thanks, that's a little better to hear.

[Slim]

Also if he's depressed no matter what the reason all the money in the world does not matter.

 

[LiquidAK]

Everyone thinks they're an expert on every aspect of football because they watch watch MOTD and Sky Sports news. Completely disregarding the fact they don't watch us (or any other club but their own or outside of the top 4) for probably over 2500 minutes of football a season.

 

This is why I never claim authority over a fan of another club regarding their own team. Highlights are no substitute for watching every game and keeping up with every rumour or piece of news. You can fall into a media narrative so easily, Pardew's treatment by the media during his time here being the perfect example.

[mrmojorisin75]

When you read his entire interview, in French, it gives a different image than the one carried in the english press, which reproduces some of HBA's quotes in isolation with the context, and that are not representative of his speech.

When he says he’s been « through hell", it was not abot his stay at Newcastle as such, but more like a personal state of mind. He says that several things in a row have played against him. Indeed, there was what happened in Newcastle (and even here he only talks about a period that started in 2014), but also problems with Steve Bruce at Hull City, and finally, when he thinks he can finally play, then Fifa says no.

Most of the article is about how he recovered.

The whole picture does not look as bad as it sounds for Newcastle, and his intention were not to bash anyone. I think.

 

Thanks, that's a little better to hear.

Pardew's press mates taking things out of context to make HBA look a cunt you say?

 

Shocked.

[Lush Vlad]

When you read his entire interview, in French, it gives a different image than the one carried in the english press, which reproduces some of HBA's quotes in isolation with the context, and that are not representative of his speech.

When he says he’s been « through hell", it was not abot his stay at Newcastle as such, but more like a personal state of mind. He says that several things in a row have played against him. Indeed, there was what happened in Newcastle (and even here he only talks about a period that started in 2014), but also problems with Steve Bruce at Hull City, and finally, when he thinks he can finally play, then Fifa says no.

Most of the article is about how he recovered.

The whole picture does not look as bad as it sounds for Newcastle, and his intention were not to bash anyone. I think.

 

Fair enough.  I did think it was all doom and gloom, when he seemed to have some good times here.  He really seemed to enjoy his football at times and I remember a lot of people commenting on how settled and happy he seemed.  Then it all went to shit 

 

Everyone thinks they're an expert on every aspect of football because they watch watch MOTD and Sky Sports news. Completely disregarding the fact they don't watch us (or any other club but their own or outside of the top 4) for probably over 2500 minutes of football a season.

 

This is why I never claim authority over a fan of another club regarding their own team. Highlights are no substitute for watching every game and keeping up with every rumour or piece of news. You can fall into a media narrative so easily, Pardew's treatment by the media during his time here being the perfect example.

 

Agree with this.  It is hard not to at times.  But if it is someone who I know is fairly clued up on their own team, and not some glory boy that watches highlights here and there.  Then I always try not to pass judgement too much. 

[Guest Roger Kint]

When you read his entire interview, in French, it gives a different image than the one carried in the english press, which reproduces some of HBA's quotes in isolation with the context, and that are not representative of his speech.

When he says he’s been « through hell", it was not abot his stay at Newcastle as such, but more like a personal state of mind. He says that several things in a row have played against him. Indeed, there was what happened in Newcastle (and even here he only talks about a period that started in 2014), but also problems with Steve Bruce at Hull City, and finally, when he thinks he can finally play, then Fifa says no.

Most of the article is about how he recovered.

The whole picture does not look as bad as it sounds for Newcastle, and his intention were not to bash anyone. I think.

 

Thanks, that's a little better to hear.

Pardew's press mates taking things out of context to make HBA look a cunt you say?

 

Shocked.

 

Cant remember if it was the sun or star but they printed his quotes then went into a story of how shit we have been since Pardew They dont even try to hide their love for the fraud

[Mistle17]

For people to sit behind a keyboard and declare that a certain person they've never met should be more grateful simply because he earns a fortune is beyond ignorant. What if he didn't have a good support network at the time? What if football has been his sole identity and form of expression to escape his problems? You just don't know, and if mental health problems did develop because of it then all the more sympathy for him.

 

At the end of the day, the chap just loves the game and playing it. That's very refreshing to hear from someone at this shithouse club tbh. Whether his words were misinterpreted in translation or not, I imagine it must have been pretty grim being exiled like he was (and for what?!). Think of cunts in the past like Celestine Babayaro and wonder if you would have got an emotional reaction like Hatem's- I think fucking not.

 

Money is not everything.

[mrmojorisin75]

For people to sit behind a keyboard and declare that a certain person they've never met should be more grateful simply because he earns a fortune is beyond ignorant. What if he didn't have a good support network at the time? What if football has been his sole identity and form of expression to escape his problems? You just don't know, and if mental health problems did develop because of it then all the more sympathy for him.

 

At the end of the day, the chap just loves the game and playing it. That's very refreshing to hear from someone at this shithouse club tbh. Whether his words were misinterpreted in translation or not, I imagine it must have been pretty grim being exiled like he was (and for what?!). Think of cunts in the past like Celestine Babayaro and wonder if you would have got an emotional reaction like Hatem's- I think fucking not.

 

Money is not everything.

 

Pretty sure Gary Speed wasn't skint...

[Lush Vlad]

People seem surprised at the mong comments on sky sports articles?  The chronicle website is full of HBA haters as well.  As is twitter it would seem. 

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

This is what I'm up against. Apparently having far and away the best assist rate for NUFC highlights how selfish he was. I've burned him with hard facts, it's fine.

 

clubber lang says

11/11/15 6:33pm

Your stats tell us only about him going in one direction, they say nothing about leaving defenders isolated, the unbalancing of the team's formation, the annoyance and lack of trust experienced by other players sick of his selfishness etc., nor the many opposition goals arising from these problems. In fact your stats simply show how selfish HBA was because he thought nothing of putting himself above the needs of the team. Something Steve Bruce found out to his cost. In fact it is clear that YOU have no idea about football OR statistics.

 

 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I just don't get why some people watch football.

 

Its surely got to be about being entertained hasn't it? Yes the result is important, but spending thousands of pounds (willingly) in order to watch Gouffran or Colback and enjoy it more than wathcing a HBA or a Robert just because they track back and we got a point against West Brom? Sounds like a skewed sense of value for money.

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

This is what I'm up against. Apparently having far and away the best assist rate for NUFC highlights how selfish he was. I've burned him with hard facts, it's fine.

 

clubber lang says

11/11/15 6:33pm

Your stats tell us only about him going in one direction, they say nothing about leaving defenders isolated, the unbalancing of the team's formation, the annoyance and lack of trust experienced by other players sick of his selfishness etc., nor the many opposition goals arising from these problems. In fact your stats simply show how selfish HBA was because he thought nothing of putting himself above the needs of the team. Something Steve Bruce found out to his cost. In fact it is clear that YOU have no idea about football OR statistics.

 

I suppose he provided you with stats?  You know, to prove he directly cost us all of these goals and always left us isolated and unbalanced?

[Nattfare]

This is what I'm up against. Apparently having far and away the best assist rate for NUFC highlights how selfish he was. I've burned him with hard facts, it's fine.

 

clubber lang says

11/11/15 6:33pm

Your stats tell us only about him going in one direction, they say nothing about leaving defenders isolated, the unbalancing of the team's formation, the annoyance and lack of trust experienced by other players sick of his selfishness etc., nor the many opposition goals arising from these problems. In fact your stats simply show how selfish HBA was because he thought nothing of putting himself above the needs of the team. Something Steve Bruce found out to his cost. In fact it is clear that YOU have no idea about football OR statistics.

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

This is what I'm up against. Apparently having far and away the best assist rate for NUFC highlights how selfish he was. I've burned him with hard facts, it's fine.

 

clubber lang says

11/11/15 6:33pm

Your stats tell us only about him going in one direction, they say nothing about leaving defenders isolated, the unbalancing of the team's formation, the annoyance and lack of trust experienced by other players sick of his selfishness etc., nor the many opposition goals arising from these problems. In fact your stats simply show how selfish HBA was because he thought nothing of putting himself above the needs of the team. Something Steve Bruce found out to his cost. In fact it is clear that YOU have no idea about football OR statistics.

 

I suppose he provided you with stats?  You know, to prove he directly cost us all of these goals and always left us isolated and unbalanced?

 

He didn't but I've mentioned that I can remember 3 in 4 years, which is obviously nothing. Especially when you compare it to someone like Tiote or Santon who would lose the ball in the opposition half and then not be able to get back. Considering they're both defensive players as well.

 

Basically it's going to get to the point where I'm going to have to resort to 'you're too stupid to realise that you've lost the argument'

[Paully]

Ex-Newcastle star Hatem Ben Arfa: The full explosive interview on his 'hell' at St James' Park and rebirth at Nice

• 12:57, 12 NOV 2015

• UPDATED 12:57, 12 NOV 2015

• BY CHRIS WAUGH

Hatem Ben Arfa has given an extensive interview on his final traumatic months on Tyneside and his joy at a France recall

Former Newcastle United midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa has spoken of his “hell” on Tyneside under Alan Pardew and his reinvigoration at Nice in an explosive interview.

In France Football, the Frenchman details how he was a “prisoner” during his final months at St James’ Park, how he felt like he was being made to endure the “12 labours of Hercules” on Tyneside, and that he moved to Nice despite an offer “five times” as much from a club in Turkey.

However, Ben Arfa also claims that he does not regret any of the decisions he made during his career, that he feels refreshed at Nice and he also alleged that Newcastle fined him for being overweight during the summer 0f 2014, though he insists it was additional muscle.

The 28-year-old playmaker - who was released by the Magpies in January after falling out of favour at St James’ Park - has netted seven times in 13 appearances for Nice this season, earning him a shock recall to the France national squad. He could even play against England at Wembley on Tuesday.

During the summer of 2014, Ben Arfa was banished to train with Peter Beardsley’s reserve team on Tyneside before heading out on loan to Hull City, but the Tigers ended the deal after only six months.

United then paid off the remainder of the midfielder’s contract in January and, though Ben Arfa signed for Ligue 1 side Nice, he was unable to represent the club until August due to FIFA regulations.

Here are the main points from Ben Arfa’s explosive interview with France Football:

Question: Why did you get yourself so down at Hull City?

Ben Arfa: “It was a very, very difficult time. The worst of my career. It was a hell and it was the same a few months earlier in Newcastle.

“There, on the first day back in August 2014, I was placed directly with the reserves. A terrible humiliation.

“Weeks passed and I was always with these young sixteen, seventeen years on land away from those pros. I did not understand. They gave me a nightmare. It was full of little cheap shots.

“I was, for example, delivered a letter with a fine supposedly because I had gained weight hanging holidays. I had put on 2.5kg, but that was because I had done that much work I lowered my fat!

“I was also had my No 10 shirt taken away and they assigned me No 26 without talking to me at all. Finally, I was sent on loan on the last day of the transfer window to Hull City.

“But there, I could not stay because I had problems (with Steve Bruce). And when I believed in me getting out by signing in Nice, they were forbidden to hire me. It started to do a lot to me.”

Question: How did it feel in England in those last six months?

Ben Arfa: “I had the feeling of being locked in a dark place without a door, or in an endless tunnel. I saw hell and especially no way to resolve my problems.

“I did not see any light. I was a prisoner.

“I slapped myself every day to tell myself to not let go. I tried to convince myself that the light was coming back, I was going to find the right path.

“By signing this summer with Nice, I really felt out of hell. In fact, that’s it, I come back from hell.

“I found some kind of inner peace. it’s been a long struggle, much like the 12 labours of Hercules.”

Question: Do you feel appeased at Nice?

Ben Arfa: “Yes I do. This is the first time I have felt as good (as I do now); so serene in my head.”

Question: Why did you choose Nice? Because it was the only club to be interested in you?

Ben Arfa: “Not at all. It was not even the best financial offer made to me. Far from it.

“In Turkey, I was offered five times (as much), something huge! I also received offers from China, Qatar, Saudi Arabia.

“But these projects never made me think about it, even for a second because I knew what I wanted. Nice offered me the ideal conditions for my rehabilitation. Yet initially, even those in my entourage, did not understand my choice.

“After my first conversations with the coach I was convinced that it was exactly what I needed to develop myself.”

Question: Did you feel you were playing your last card by heading to Nice?

Ben Arfa: “One of the last, yes. I knew I did not have many opportunities left to go wrong.

“But what Claude Puel (the Nice manager) told me and also Julien Fournier (CEO), they quickly convinced me (to come to Nice).

“They believed in me. There were some months when the gamble on my return did not seem obvious to everyone...”

Question: Were you disappointed to only receive the offers that you did?

Ben Arfa: “No, because I did not deserve more. I was in a situation of failure.

“I understand the clubs’ reluctance. Nice dared to take the risk.”

Question: What did you do during the six-month period between January and June 2015, when you weren’t allowed to play for Nice?

Ben Arfa: “When a long break occurs, inevitably you worry lots. I was a bit stunned, as if I had taken an uppercut.

“This judgment acted more as a result of several painful months in Newcastle and Hull. at a time when I turned around, I realised that I was in total failure situation.

“I saw the months roll by and I sank more. When the lost weeks stack up, you ask yourself questions. Time does not wait for you.

“I did not want to let myself get to the bottom or to let myself run away because I am still not done as a footballer.

“I certainly did not want to imagine my career ending with regrets and frustrations. In fact, at one point, I realised that I had no time to lose.”

Question: After the failure of your transfer to Nice in January, you admitted you might stop playing football. Were you really serious or was it a bluff?

Ben Arfa: “No, I could not live without football. At that time I was going through an inner conflict.

“In my head there was a little devil who told me: ‘Let it all go’ and an angel who said to me. ‘Do not let go’.

“It was a real fight. But the angel eventually discouraged the other.”

Question: What did you do during this six months off?

Ben Arfa: “I travelled. I went to Thailand, but especially to Tunisia where I stayed for two-and-a-half months.

“It had been 15 years since I had spent so much time there, in the Tunis neighbourhood where I grew up. It was important for me to go back at that time.

“When I was a kid, I went there for two months during the summer holidays as part of my family is there. Since I’ve been a pro, I did not have much time to return.

“There I had the feeling to repay the entire time I owed them. I found all childhood friends. There, I forgot I was a footballer.

“I lived in Tunisia: I went to the cafe, I was in shorts and a T-shirt all day without worrying.

“I found the images, sensations and pleasures of my childhood. it made me feel good to be back and enjoy some care-free time. I let go more easily.”

Question: Did you expect to receive a call-up to the latest France squad?

Ben Arfa: “Of course not. That is why I felt a big joy when I found my name on the list. Again, I immediately thought about the course I’d taken in recent months to get there. Everything I’ve done to get back.

“To be honest, I was also affected by the call. I come back from so far away. If I had not believed, I’d perhaps never have got there.

“And I have a certain pride in being able to get there.”

Question: At the age of 28, do you feel that you are just moving out of your adolescent crisis now?

Ben Arfa: (Smiles) “I do not know if it was an extended adolescent crisis.

“In any case, it’s true, I stayed a long time in the fog, a little lost, disoriented.

“I have a friend who called me ‘wild child’. And I think it suits me well (as a nickname).”

Question: Do you still think you’re a ‘brat’?

Ben Arfa: “I do not believe so. I think people look at me and do not see I have changed.

“And I will not say it does not bother me. Rather, it is a good win, right?

“For before, I pretended otherwise, perhaps to hide my face.

“This bad reputation weighed on me.”

Question: Do you no longer believe that you will win the Ballon d’Or?

Ben Arfa: “I will not trap myself by saying that, no.

“(He smiles) I can just say that I still have big ambitions. This season, I would first go as high as possible with Nice. And if it goes well, little by little, I will reassess my goals.”

Question: If you were to change one decision since the beginning of your career, what would that be?

Ben Arfa: “None. I would take everything (I’ve done). It is useless to go back.”

 

[Mike]

We fired him, and then spent millions looking for him again.

[AlanSkÃrare]

Nothing can convince me that him leaving was due to anything other than Pardew being a fucking moron.

[Lush Vlad]

We fired him, and then spent millions looking for him again.

 

Cabella and Thauvin cost about what?  £25-30m for the pair?

 

One of them totally failed to make an impact and has now gone.  The other hasn't really looked that great and the transfer had French fans laughing at us.  Still early days, of course.

 

I remember going to HBA's first two games.  Blackpool at home.  We were utter shit and we lost, but he came on and got the whole crowd excited.  Then Everton away, where he absolutely ran the show.  Missed his goal because of a fucking pillar restricting my view  

 

Our club is an utter joke. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He'll never thrive under dinosaur managers or egomaniacs, he needs the manager to realise how to get the best out of him.

[Mike]

Our club is an utter joke. 

 

[Guest hbarecall]

Our club is an utter joke. 

 

hba loves newcastle all fans stadium and girls of nufc  but i hate pardew

I say the same of marseille ; he loves all the fan but not the cunt which prevented him from playing his game 

55  SHUT UP DUNGA(you are shit coach style pardew defence) the best isn't neymar he si ben arfa -

Hatem Ben Arfa dribbles managed 55 in Ligue 1 this season, more than any other player in the five major championships . Unstoppable .

[sbnufc]

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[Yorkie]

[Guest firetotheworks]

I know that feeling bro jpeg