LV Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 i think its evident that the kid is a lazy t*** i wouldnt build my team around him if it meant positionally sacrificing players like sissoko who offer far more on the pitch. 6/7 weeks ago we were all calling pardew on this and quite frankly he could turn round and say "i told you so" to a lot of us, me included we dont miss him (except that we are short on numbers in current situation) and i dont want him back if he cant be arsed No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Tbh I wouldn't start him away at Man U for hull,wots the point he's not going to get the ball high enough up the pitch to make a difference,bring him on last 30 mins if behind but burnley he doesn't start,baffling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 We miss him monumentally, in a team utterly bereft of ideas and attacking impetus he was a breath of fresh air whenever he was on the pitch even on his not so good games, which were still usually better and more effective than the dross around him. The whole thing is a crying shame and if we were a proper club with a proper manager I have no doubt he would have flourished and be our main man right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 We miss him monumentally, in a team utterly bereft of ideas and attacking impetus he was a breath of fresh air whenever he was on the pitch even on his not so good games, which were still usually better and more effective than the dross around him. The whole thing is a crying shame and if we were a proper club with a proper manager I have no doubt he would have flourished and be our main man right now. We'd have a ridiculously talented team by even just signing Carr's little findings as well man. Remy, Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Sissoko and hell perhaps even Grenier, Cabella, and De Jong all mixing it up together. Insane amount of fun talent that would have us high up the fucking table under a proper club (owner/chairman) and manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 We miss him monumentally, in a team utterly bereft of ideas and attacking impetus he was a breath of fresh air whenever he was on the pitch even on his not so good games, which were still usually better and more effective than the dross around him. The whole thing is a crying shame and if we were a proper club with a proper manager I have no doubt he would have flourished and be our main man right now. We'd have a ridiculously talented team by even just signing Carr's little findings as well man. Remy, Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Sissoko and hell perhaps even Grenier, Cabella, and De Jong all mixing it up together. Insane amount of fun talent that would have us high up the f***ing table under a proper club (owner/chairman) and manager. Hard to say a bad word about the owner when it comes to player recruitment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Yeah, virtually impossible. We went into this season with one right back, and one senior striker - who'd been out of form for 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm more or less only talking about players we recruited (Remy, Cabaye. Ba, Hatem, Sissoko, Janmaat, etc) and ones we could have signed (Lacazzette, PEA, Grenier, Alderweireld, etc) with ones who left b/c of our s*** manager and owner and lack of ambition keeping said players or hiring the right manager (Ba, Remy, Cabaye). A midfield of Sissoko-Cabaye with a playmaker like Cabella, Grenier, Siem De Jong, Marv ahead of them and a front 3 of Remy-Ba-HBA could have very well f***ing happened. Not to mention sub one of Remy/Ba with PEA/Lacazzette and a more in-form Cisse, a Perez, Rolando Aarons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 We miss him monumentally, in a team utterly bereft of ideas and attacking impetus he was a breath of fresh air whenever he was on the pitch even on his not so good games, which were still usually better and more effective than the dross around him. The whole thing is a crying shame and if we were a proper club with a proper manager I have no doubt he would have flourished and be our main man right now. We'd have a ridiculously talented team by even just signing Carr's little findings as well man. Remy, Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Sissoko and hell perhaps even Grenier, Cabella, and De Jong all mixing it up together. Insane amount of fun talent that would have us high up the f***ing table under a proper club (owner/chairman) and manager. Hard to say a bad word about the owner when it comes to player recruitment. Don't be daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 honestly don't know why anyone would ever say anything like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 honestly don't know why anyone would ever say anything like that. Probably feeling hungry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's not Mike Ashley's fault that Alan Pardew can't handle the obvious talent coming into the squad (other than the fact that he is ultimately responsible for his appointment). Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Cisse, Debuchy, Janmaat, Yanga-Mbiwa, (Siem) De Jong, and Hatem Ben Arfa wouldn't have looked out of place in any squad of Keegan or Sir Bobby's best. What can be accused of Mike Ashley is having the manager take a big cut of transfer profits which was widely reported at the time, contributing in some way to how Pardew deals with players he doesn't like. Anyway, 1 senior striker? I hope you're just being flippant Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 honestly don't know why anyone would ever say anything like that. The quality is there, it's just obvious that we'll go for whatever's a good deal rather than what we need. I don't think the level of quality can really be criticised THAT much, the quality of the players is Pardew offsetting imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's not Mike Ashley's fault that Alan Pardew can't handle the obvious talent coming into the squad (other than the fact that he is ultimately responsible for his appointment). Yes it is. The performance of any organisation chiefly falls on the shoulder of the owner or person calling the ultimate shots. Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Cisse, Debuchy, Janmaat, Yanga-Mbiwa, (Siem) De Jong, and Hatem Ben Arfa wouldn't have looked out of place in any squad of Keegan or Sir Bobby's best. Good players sometimes ultimately fail to shine at certain clubs. That's life. Some of those - have been given plenty of opportunities and have basically sucked - in one aspect or another. Sanon can't defend and isn't effective in attack and Cisse has been terrible. Cisse's not a SBR or Keegan player at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Yeah, virtually impossible. We went into this season with one right back, and one senior striker - who'd been out of form for 2 years. Two senior strikers tbf. We've been very lucky the squad players have stepped up. The team Pardew had in mind at the start of the season is horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's not Mike Ashley's fault that Alan Pardew can't handle the obvious talent coming into the squad (other than the fact that he is ultimately responsible for his appointment). Yes it is. The performance of any organisation chiefly falls on the shoulder of the owner or person calling the ultimate shots. Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Cisse, Debuchy, Janmaat, Yanga-Mbiwa, (Siem) De Jong, and Hatem Ben Arfa wouldn't have looked out of place in any squad of Keegan or Sir Bobby's best. Good players sometimes ultimately fail to shine at certain clubs. That's life. Some of those - have been given plenty of opportunities and have basically sucked - in one aspect or another. Sanon can't defend and isn't effective in attack and Cisse has been terrible. Cisse's not a SBR or Keegan player at all. Cisse arrived and played pretty much like he did in the Bundesliga, then due to bad management is the player what he is now, the club's recruitment infrastructure cannot be blamed for this. He was a very good signing for a club of our position. Santon arrived after being praised by a pretty honest manager (tried to tell us not to sign Damien Duff) who also happens to be one the best managers of all time who believed he would go on to great things. It was a coup to get him to us considering we had zero Italian presence in the club (Zamblera?). I was ecstatic when we bought him as I couldn't believe we'd ever get a left back better than José Enrique. I hate how the club is run, I hate Mike Ashley, I don't hate the players he's signed but I do hate that he doesn't invest fully in the club and that we could have potentially done even better. With a proper manager, the players that we have had over the past 5 years should have seen us regularly top 6 or 7 in my honest opinion, with the potential of further with the additional attraction brought to the club by success in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's Damien Duff. But it was actually about Geremi. And he didn't tell us.... he told SBR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's Damien Duff. But it was actually about Geremi. And he didn't tell us.... he told SBR. Semantics. changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's not Mike Ashley's fault that Alan Pardew can't handle the obvious talent coming into the squad (other than the fact that he is ultimately responsible for his appointment). Yes it is. The performance of any organisation chiefly falls on the shoulder of the owner or person calling the ultimate shots. Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon, Cisse, Debuchy, Janmaat, Yanga-Mbiwa, (Siem) De Jong, and Hatem Ben Arfa wouldn't have looked out of place in any squad of Keegan or Sir Bobby's best. Good players sometimes ultimately fail to shine at certain clubs. That's life. Some of those - have been given plenty of opportunities and have basically sucked - in one aspect or another. Sanon can't defend and isn't effective in attack and Cisse has been terrible. Cisse's not a SBR or Keegan player at all. Cisse arrived and played pretty much like he did in the Bundesliga, then due to bad management is the player what he is now, the club's recruitment infrastructure cannot be blamed for this. He was a very good signing for a club of our position. Santon arrived after being praised by a pretty honest manager (tried to tell us not to sign Damien Dunn) who also happens to be one the best managers of all time who believed he would go on to great things. It was a coup to get him to us considering we had zero Italian presence in the club (Zamblera?). I was ecstatic when we bought him as I couldn't believe we'd ever get a left back better than José Enrique. I hate how the club is run, I hate Mike Ashley, I don't hate the players he's signed but I do hate that he doesn't invest fully in the club and that we could have potentially done even better. With a proper manager, the players that we have had over the past 5 years should have seen us regularly top 6 or 7 in my honest opinion, with the potential of further with the additional attraction brought to the club by success in the league. Pardew has made some mistakes with players - no doubt. But even the best managers have some signings that just don't go well. My biggest gripe is the lads he's barely tried - Marv, HBA (to a degree) & MYM. But Cisse & Santon - stop excusing them. Our biggest problem is we don't try to build. We just aim to sell and maintain which invariably leads to a drop in quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Ashley cannot be blamed for our transfer strategy/disaster? I've heard it all now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Yeah, virtually impossible. We went into this season with one right back, and one senior striker - who'd been out of form for 2 years. Two senior strikers tbf. If Riviere's a senior striker I'm a Buddhist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Dropped from the Hull squad Fallen out with another manager? Surely record time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 It's going almost identically to the Robert/Pompey move isn't it? Wouldn't be surprised if the loan's cancelled in January and he ends up abroad second half of the season the same way as Robert too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Probably go to a middle eastern team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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