Nattfare Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ben Arfa was kept on the bench for most of the season after we ended 5th. Pardew only threw him in around the 70th minute when we were 2 or 3 - 0 down. When Ben Arfa couldn't turn things around on his own he had to carry most of the blame after the match. Disgraceful treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Keeping our shape in some rigid 4-4-2 only really worked for the first dozen games or so, we went on a disgusting run after Man City broke our streak and it wasn't until HBA, Ba and Cisse were up top that we actually looked like a team capable of finishing in the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 That's a load of bullshit. Plenty of people have given objective analysis about HBAs time here. That's a load of bullshit. Plenty of people have given constructive analysis about HBAs time here. We can do this all day bud, but either way, we all know he is/was a superb talent, and Pardew was his downfall. The over weight crap came around way after Pardew fucked him about. Well, if thats how you like to see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=39573&season_id=141 Here's his appearances from that season. He actually played 70 minutes against Forrest in the cup on the 20th September, then was coming off from the bench for a few games until October 23rd (again in the cup against Blackburn), on the bench the next game, started the next 2 league games (70 minutes against Man City where I thought he looked really sharp, and then 80 against Man Utd where I don't think he was in the game much). All that seems pretty standard practice for easing a player back into the side. It continued (worse than that I think) for a further 3 1/2 months or so, during which time he scored 3 goals (including THAT goal against Blackburn). I'm sure it wasn't all fitness issues with him, clearly teamworking, tracking back, etc was something Pardew wanted him to understand more. ( after all, that season we were mostly a team of keeping our shape and relying on individual brilliance.) Pardew is a c*** yes, but I certainly don't believe he preferred Obertan because he was technically better. Not that I believe that Obertan's work rate is anything great or quality. And at the same time I don't think HBA's workrate was worthy the fuss by Pardew. (In the following seasons) But in any case, I don't believe Pardews handling of HBA during that season was bad and I don't think it's the reason why it all ended the way it did. Which one do you think he was better at than say... anyone in our squad? ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ben Arfa was kept on the bench for most of the season after we ended 5th. Pardew only threw him in around the 70th minute when we were 2 or 3 - 0 down. When Ben Arfa couldn't turn things around on his own he had to carry most of the blame after the match. Disgraceful treatment. probably 99% of that is wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well, if thats how you like to see it. And you reckon he's shit, fat, doesn't track back, doesn't work for the team and has zero discipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ben Arfa was kept on the bench for most of the season after we ended 5th. Pardew only threw him in around the 70th minute when we were 2 or 3 - 0 down. When Ben Arfa couldn't turn things around on his own he had to carry most of the blame after the match. Disgraceful treatment. probably 99% of that is wrong In 2012/13 (prem stats) Played 19 Started 16 Sub on 3 Subbed on vs Liverpool (h) at HT, Newcastle 2-0 down Subbed on vs West Brom (a) on 77 minutes, score 1-1 Subbed on vs Sunderland (h) on 63 minutes, Newcastle 1-0 down Those 3 games came after he didnt play for 4 months (injury?). He started the games immediately after those 3, too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 People criticising him for his weight but his lass might be a feeder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well, if thats how you like to see it. And you reckon he's shit, fat, doesn't track back, doesn't work for the team and has zero discipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ben Arfa was kept on the bench for most of the season after we ended 5th. Pardew only threw him in around the 70th minute when we were 2 or 3 - 0 down. When Ben Arfa couldn't turn things around on his own he had to carry most of the blame after the match. Disgraceful treatment. probably 99% of that is wrong Think I worded it wrongly perhaps. The season after the one we came fifth I mean. He was subbed a lot during that one if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ben Arfa was kept on the bench for most of the season after we ended 5th. Pardew only threw him in around the 70th minute when we were 2 or 3 - 0 down. When Ben Arfa couldn't turn things around on his own he had to carry most of the blame after the match. Disgraceful treatment. probably 99% of that is wrong Think I worded it wrongly perhaps. The season after the one we came fifth I mean. He was subbed a lot during that one if I remember correctly. the same thing? I posted the stats above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Was it the season after then that he came on from the bench a lot? Think I'm confusing them here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If hba was so bad defensively, I'd love to see actual evidence of the goals that we conceded that were his fault. I genuinely can't think of many, yet certain people like to make out as if he was some defensive liability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Liverpool's 3rd in the 6-0 is the only one I can remember him being directly responsible for. One of the few time's where I've actually thought "what the fuck are you doing?" when he was fannying about on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Colback's goal in the 3-0 he was messing around in the middle of the field with it but the defending after that as they broke was equally as bad (Williamson especially). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If hba was so bad defensively, I'd love to see actual evidence of the goals that we conceded that were his fault. I genuinely can't think of many, yet certain people like to make out as if he was some defensive liability. His failure to track back led to 2 goals at home to Hull where we should have been 3 or 4 up inside 20 minutes. His tracking back was an issue and teammates do not like others not pulling their weight (as they see it) no matter how good they are. In his last season where he was picked (usually as sub) he was thrown on when we were chasing games or started against sides where his weaknesses would be shown, Southampton away being a good example. Ultimately he wasn't professional enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Absolute fucking shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I really want to argue but don't have nearly the energy. He had his flaws but should've been the first name on the teamsheet, in an attacking role, every week - because he was a matchwinner. His professionalism or will to win never seemed below 100% when he was on the pitch, even if he did make errors. He was the least of our worries but Pardew scapegoated him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The thing that strikes me is that I think of Ben Arfa as a very passionate player, but one with a brittle mentality. Man manage him well and he would probably walk through fire for you, man manage him badly and he would just give up, as churlish as that behaviour is. The club full well knew this to be the case when they bought him (we wouldn't have been able to if he wasn't damaged goods mentally), which makes it even more frustrating that we put a Neanderthal in charge of managing him and a number of other highly talented players over the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The thing that strikes me is that I think of Ben Arfa as a very passionate player, but one with a brittle mentality. Man manage him well and he would probably walk through fire for you, man manage him badly and he would just give up, as churlish as that behaviour is. The club full well knew this to be the case when they bought him (we wouldn't have been able to if he wasn't damaged goods mentally), which makes it even more frustrating that we put a Neanderthal in charge of managing him and a number of other highly talented players over the past few years. Until the last season Pardew did a good job keeping him going, but ultimately ran out of patience and found it easy to sacrifice hba when colo put the pressure on him to do so. The reason hba isn't at this club isn't down to Pardew, just like cabaye hba didn't really have too many bad things to say about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Quite often he was in a team of 11 (ELEVEN!) players and was one of only 2 or 3 attacking players FFS. In that case, I'd rather he conserved his energy for attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The thing that strikes me is that I think of Ben Arfa as a very passionate player, but one with a brittle mentality. Man manage him well and he would probably walk through fire for you, man manage him badly and he would just give up, as churlish as that behaviour is. The club full well knew this to be the case when they bought him (we wouldn't have been able to if he wasn't damaged goods mentally), which makes it even more frustrating that we put a Neanderthal in charge of managing him and a number of other highly talented players over the past few years. Until the last season Pardew did a good job keeping him going, but ultimately ran out of patience and found it easy to sacrifice hba when colo put the pressure on him to do so. The reason hba isn't at this club isn't down to Pardew, just like cabaye hba didn't really have too many bad things to say about him. He probably didn't want to have a go at Pardew because he just thought it would look bitter and instead just wanted to move on. I saw with my own eyes how badly he was treated on the pitch and Pardew absolutely did have a big part to play in him going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The thing that strikes me is that I think of Ben Arfa as a very passionate player, but one with a brittle mentality. Man manage him well and he would probably walk through fire for you, man manage him badly and he would just give up, as churlish as that behaviour is. The club full well knew this to be the case when they bought him (we wouldn't have been able to if he wasn't damaged goods mentally), which makes it even more frustrating that we put a Neanderthal in charge of managing him and a number of other highly talented players over the past few years. Until the last season Pardew did a good job keeping him going, but ultimately ran out of patience and found it easy to sacrifice hba when colo put the pressure on him to do so. The reason hba isn't at this club isn't down to Pardew, just like cabaye hba didn't really have too many bad things to say about him. Without knowing what went on behind the scenes I still feel Pardew should have played him a damn sight more, and certainly not subbed him anywhere near as ofter as he did (that hurt like hell). That said, in terms of man management, I think that's not an unfair assessment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Its no good motivating a player if you're only going to misuse him on the pitch and scapegoat him at every opportunity to save your own skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Its no good motivating a player if you're only going to misuse him on the pitch and scapegoat him at every opportunity to save your own skin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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