HawK Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Any player that likes to take on a man is going to lose the ball. He loses probably too much but that's not a major issue imo. Lack of end product is. He used to, not any more. He loses it now when he receives the ball without knowing who's around him, where to control the ball to, and if he does control it, he then runs blind it 2 or 3 defenders. If he lost the ball after having brought it under control, raising his head, looking to see what's going on, and then taking on a man - fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 He's quick over a few yards, but he hasn't got the straight lline speed to get away from defenders or the strength to hold them off. It might take another couple of years for him to learn to deal with it and become more consistent. Though, tell me if I'm having delusions, but I thought he did far better than he had any right to when Pardew stuck him up top and lumped long balls at him last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Fair enough comments. Has been noticeably poor for a good while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I think Perez has some natural talents that many other footballers dont have, most notably his extremely quick feet which allows him to make more moves than others. In my memory only Messi and Ben Arfa has quicker feet than Perez and thats really massive. Other than that his smart moves, his court vision, his technique...he is special. However he also has some massive flaws. His lack of strength and shot power limited his application on his talents. Whats even worse is it seems like he is changing his playstyle. Some said he is just trying too much himself. In my opinion i feel like he started to believe the hype and think he can and should be a star player and could change the game on his own. Honestly i dont think we should sell him for anything less than 30m. But, if he couldnt get out of this and continues to play like that in expense of our team - just like Ba - then i think we should start finding the next youngster with potential to develop and give him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I just think he is a young lad that has been coached by cunts and losers for last 2 seasons. He will be fine under Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Where do you play him? That's the biggest question, as he's flawed in every position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nortoon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 He is clearly a very talented footballer. I'm still very 50/50 on how good he will become though. If he can manage to become quicker or stronger he could become almost Suarezesque and be a star as a striker or CAM. What worries is how small and weak he is. Those sorts of players usually make up for it with pace, and he isn't lightning quick. He accelerates with the ball at his feet but he never seems to sprint past anyone over any noticeable distance. Like when he won the ball against palace after having been on the pitch for 10 minutes the other day. He still got caught up relatively easily. If he can either get some muscle or improve his top speed, he could be really special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Player he compares most to for me would be Bojan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm not comfortable singling out any of our players for criticism.. for the simple reason that i don't think we've seen any of them at even 50% of their potential. Ayoze has bags of skill but there's just a sort of intensity missing.. the top top players know what to when they have the ball, or not.. that will cause problems for teams.. Sanchez, Mahrez etc.. as soon as they are involved they mean business.. which is something lacking from Ayoze's game, well most of our players. For whatever reason (and there are many), our squad have been pretty much unmotivated for so long that it's crept into every aspect of their profession.. fitness, confidence, determination and even the basics of teamwork. Rafa must have had an aneurism when he realised the task he faced. But a few have shown signs of the motivation returning.. Tiote, Anita etc.. all playing vital roles in giving us a glimmer of hope. I think it's yet to seep into the likes of Perez and Wijnaldum.. it may not happen before the season is over. English football is riddled with sub standard coaching/managers.. i'm coming round to the view that the predicament we are in is not really the players fault. Nearly all of our under performing players showed glimpses at the start of why we signed them, but then when integrated into the culture of unmotivation, the lights were essentially dimmed straight away. It's been so long since this club had a decent manager the infrastructure of failure is deep rooted by now. If Rafa gets a fair crack at the whip we all know he has the tools to reverse the trend. But for now, i think it's stupid to write off players when we've never seen the best of them. We could have brought Messi in and made him look like Obertan.. that's how bad the coaching setup was. The players who've seen enough and want out, fair enough and best of luck. But i think there could be some big surprises from existing squad players next season if we stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Wise post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Wise post. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44445000/jpg/_44445348_chelspurs17.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 The good kind of wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I'm not comfortable singling out any of our players for criticism.. for the simple reason that i don't think we've seen any of them at even 50% of their potential. Ayoze has bags of skill but there's just a sort of intensity missing.. the top top players know what to when they have the ball, or not.. that will cause problems for teams.. Sanchez, Mahrez etc.. as soon as they are involved they mean business.. which is something lacking from Ayoze's game, well most of our players. For whatever reason (and there are many), our squad have been pretty much unmotivated for so long that it's crept into every aspect of their profession.. fitness, confidence, determination and even the basics of teamwork. Rafa must have had an aneurism when he realised the task he faced. But a few have shown signs of the motivation returning.. Tiote, Anita etc.. all playing vital roles in giving us a glimmer of hope. I think it's yet to seep into the likes of Perez and Wijnaldum.. it may not happen before the season is over. English football is riddled with sub standard coaching/managers.. i'm coming round to the view that the predicament we are in is not really the players fault. Nearly all of our under performing players showed glimpses at the start of why we signed them, but then when integrated into the culture of unmotivation, the lights were essentially dimmed straight away. It's been so long since this club had a decent manager the infrastructure of failure is deep rooted by now. If Rafa gets a fair crack at the whip we all know he has the tools to reverse the trend. But for now, i think it's stupid to write off players when we've never seen the best of them. We could have brought Messi in and made him look like Obertan.. that's how bad the coaching setup was. The players who've seen enough and want out, fair enough and best of luck. But i think there could be some big surprises from existing squad players next season if we stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar Just to mean, bags of talent and potential. Potential that people will talk about right up until 27/28 years old, and then wondered what happened to them a few years later to find out they've been tearing up some backwater league for fun having left the 'big' clubs wondering 'what the hell did we buy him for'... Appreciate not quite the same as the other two, but I'm sure everyone can think of a player touted for the top, but actually only ended up being 'decent' before sliding into relative obscurity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I've always maintained the coaching setup and the implementation of a "that'll do" philosophy has destroyed our players. I do however believe that the players need to shoulder some of the blame, now they have a chance to redeem themselves under a world class tutor it's in their hands now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Both of those lads had fantastic careers. Perez would do well to match them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 The good kind of wise. http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/300000/images/_300444_ernie1300.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar Just to mean, bags of talent and potential. Potential that people will talk about right up until 27/28 years old, and then wondered what happened to them a few years later to find out they've been tearing up some backwater league for fun having left the 'big' clubs wondering 'what the hell did we buy him for'... Appreciate not quite the same as the other two, but I'm sure everyone can think of a player touted for the top, but actually only ended up being 'decent' before sliding into relative obscurity. Is doing it in La Liga and nearly getting to a Champions League Final backwater? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Aye don't get that one all. On top of that both of them were miles more talented than he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Aye don't get that one all. On top of that both of them were miles more talented than he is. Agree, they were just examples although probably not the best. Both were at various points suggested for becoming one of the worlds best (not that Ayoze will be), but for whatever reason never quite hit the heights that many suggested. I'm sure a lot of people were expecting Riquelme to become one of Argentinas greatest ever, rather than just a very good player albeit at a better level than at Newcastle could ever expect. Thinking out loud, Hugo Viana could be a decent comparison...great things expected, and did the odd bit of good here and there but never really worked out as a great player but could have been better if used/developed properly. I know there were other factors involved with that one, but I think the general point stands. Every club has a decent young player that could become a great but for some reason doesn't, whether it be jumping to a bigger club too soon or getting ideas above themselves or simply not being as good as everyone thought after a decent season. In fact I think N'Zogbia would be a decent call. Attitude aside, most on here could see he had some talent and could have easily become brilliant with the right guidance/desperation to leave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch. Not disagreeing at all just stating that he could have been so much more at club level. Riquelme aside point I'm trying to make is that every club has young players who great things are expected of who end up having decent careers but not at the level expected. For every Michael Owen there's a Neil Mellor....for every Shearer there's a Chopra..every Rooney there's a Cadamateri... All very good young players, all had good careers, only half seen as great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch. Not disagreeing at all just stating that he could have been so much more at club level. Riquelme aside point I'm trying to make is that every club has young players who great things are expected of who end up having decent careers but not at the level expected. For every Michael Owen there's a Neil Mellor....for every Shearer there's a Chopra..every Rooney there's a Cadamateri... All very good young players, all had good careers, only half seen as great I get where you are coming from, given his immense talent, he could have been a world great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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