Ayozé Pérez (now playing for Villarreal)

[Odear]

I'm not comfortable singling out any of our players for criticism.. for the simple reason that i don't think we've seen any of them at even 50% of their potential.

 

Ayoze has bags of skill but there's just a sort of intensity missing.. the top top players know what to when they have the ball, or not.. that will cause problems for teams.. Sanchez, Mahrez etc.. as soon as they are involved they mean business.. which is something lacking from Ayoze's game, well most of our players.

 

For whatever reason (and there are many), our squad have been pretty much unmotivated for so long that it's crept into every aspect of their profession.. fitness, confidence, determination and even the basics of teamwork.

 

Rafa must have had an aneurism when he realised the task he faced.

 

But a few have shown signs of the motivation returning.. Tiote, Anita etc.. all playing vital roles in giving us a glimmer of hope.

 

I think it's yet to seep into the likes of Perez and Wijnaldum.. it may not happen before the season is over.

 

English football is riddled with sub standard coaching/managers.. i'm coming round to the view that the predicament we are in is not really the players fault. Nearly all of our under performing players showed glimpses at the start of why we signed them, but then when integrated into the culture of unmotivation, the lights were essentially dimmed straight away.

 

It's been so long since this club had a decent manager the infrastructure of failure is deep rooted by now. If Rafa gets a fair crack at the whip we all know he has the tools to reverse the trend.

 

But for now, i think it's stupid to write off players when we've never seen the best of them. We could have brought Messi in and made him look like Obertan.. that's how bad the coaching setup was.

 

The players who've seen enough and want out, fair enough and best of luck. But i think there could be some big surprises from existing squad players next season if we stay up.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Wise post.

[Darth Crooks]

Wise post.

 

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[AyeDubbleYoo]

The good kind of wise.

[Deuce]

I'm not comfortable singling out any of our players for criticism.. for the simple reason that i don't think we've seen any of them at even 50% of their potential.

 

Ayoze has bags of skill but there's just a sort of intensity missing.. the top top players know what to when they have the ball, or not.. that will cause problems for teams.. Sanchez, Mahrez etc.. as soon as they are involved they mean business.. which is something lacking from Ayoze's game, well most of our players.

 

For whatever reason (and there are many), our squad have been pretty much unmotivated for so long that it's crept into every aspect of their profession.. fitness, confidence, determination and even the basics of teamwork.

 

Rafa must have had an aneurism when he realised the task he faced.

 

But a few have shown signs of the motivation returning.. Tiote, Anita etc.. all playing vital roles in giving us a glimmer of hope.

 

I think it's yet to seep into the likes of Perez and Wijnaldum.. it may not happen before the season is over.

 

English football is riddled with sub standard coaching/managers.. i'm coming round to the view that the predicament we are in is not really the players fault. Nearly all of our under performing players showed glimpses at the start of why we signed them, but then when integrated into the culture of unmotivation, the lights were essentially dimmed straight away.

 

It's been so long since this club had a decent manager the infrastructure of failure is deep rooted by now. If Rafa gets a fair crack at the whip we all know he has the tools to reverse the trend.

 

But for now, i think it's stupid to write off players when we've never seen the best of them. We could have brought Messi in and made him look like Obertan.. that's how bad the coaching setup was.

 

The players who've seen enough and want out, fair enough and best of luck. But i think there could be some big surprises from existing squad players next season if we stay up.

 

 

 

[gjohnson]

reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar

[gjohnson]

reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar

 

Just to mean, bags of talent and potential. Potential that people will talk about right up until 27/28 years old, and then wondered what happened to them a few years later to find out they've been tearing up some backwater league for fun having left the 'big' clubs wondering 'what the hell did we buy him for'...

 

Appreciate not quite the same as the other two, but I'm sure everyone can think of a player touted for the top, but actually only ended up being 'decent' before sliding into relative obscurity.

[Mattoon]

I've always maintained the coaching setup and the implementation of a "that'll do" philosophy has destroyed our players. I do however believe that the players need to shoulder some of the blame, now they have a chance to redeem themselves under a world class tutor it's in their hands now.

[The College Dropout]

Both of those lads had fantastic careers. Perez would do well to match them.

[joeyt]

The good kind of wise.

 

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[triggs]

reminds me a bit of Riquelme/Aimar

 

Just to mean, bags of talent and potential. Potential that people will talk about right up until 27/28 years old, and then wondered what happened to them a few years later to find out they've been tearing up some backwater league for fun having left the 'big' clubs wondering 'what the hell did we buy him for'...

 

Appreciate not quite the same as the other two, but I'm sure everyone can think of a player touted for the top, but actually only ended up being 'decent' before sliding into relative obscurity.

Is doing it in La Liga and nearly getting to a Champions League Final backwater?

[Mole_Toonfan]

Aye don't get that one all.

 

On top of that both of them were miles more talented than he is.

[gjohnson]

Aye don't get that one all.

 

On top of that both of them were miles more talented than he is.

 

Agree, they were just examples although probably not the best. Both were at various points suggested for becoming one of the worlds best (not that Ayoze will be), but for whatever reason never quite hit the heights that many suggested. I'm sure a lot of people were expecting Riquelme to become one of Argentinas greatest ever, rather than just a very good player albeit at  a better level than at Newcastle could ever expect.

 

Thinking out loud, Hugo Viana could be a decent comparison...great things expected, and did the odd bit of good here and there but never really worked out as a great player but could have been better if used/developed properly. I know there were other factors involved with that one, but I think the general point stands.

 

Every club has a decent young player that could become a great but for some reason doesn't, whether it be jumping to a bigger club too soon or getting ideas above themselves or simply not being as good as everyone thought after a decent season.

 

 

In fact I think N'Zogbia would be a decent call. Attitude aside, most on here could see he had some talent and could have easily become brilliant with the right guidance/desperation to leave

[Andy]

Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh

 

He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch.

[gjohnson]

Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh

 

He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch.

 

 

Not disagreeing at all just stating that he could have been so much more at club level.  Riquelme aside point I'm trying to make is that every club has young players who great things are expected of who end up having decent careers but not at the level expected.

 

For every Michael Owen there's a Neil Mellor....for every Shearer there's a Chopra..every Rooney there's a Cadamateri...

 

All very good young players, all had good careers, only half seen as great

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Riquelme was more than a very good player like argentina would've won the world cup in 2006 if he hadn't been subbed against germany despite carrying them the entire competition. He was better in that world cup than Messi ever has been for Argentina tbh

 

He was immense in that tournament and a lovely player to watch.

 

 

Not disagreeing at all just stating that he could have been so much more at club level.  Riquelme aside point I'm trying to make is that every club has young players who great things are expected of who end up having decent careers but not at the level expected.

 

For every Michael Owen there's a Neil Mellor....for every Shearer there's a Chopra..every Rooney there's a Cadamateri...

 

All very good young players, all had good careers, only half seen as great

 

 

I get where you are coming from, given his immense talent, he could have been a world great.

[Ronaldo]

Owen a great, give me a break.

[Hanshithispantz]

Other than rep, what's the difference between someone like Owen and Defoe? Never seen a more over hyped player than that little prick like, he was a really good Premiership forward, nothing more.

[Wallsendmag]

Other than rep, what's the difference between someone like Owen and Defoe? Never seen a more over hyped player than that little prick like, he was a really good Premiership forward, nothing more.

 

Other than the obvious one was finished by his late 20's and the other is still banging then in well into his 30's. Don't even think Owen was a really good Premier League forward. Did he even manage a 20 goal season?

[STM]

Owen was fantastic like, we shouldn't let our hatred cloud our judgement.

 

He was never going to be a great, once it was clear he had glass legs and a black heart.

[Guest]

Owen was class man, the 'never scored 20 in a season' argument is s*** too. Why should that make him not great? He averaged just under 1 in 2 up until he left us over a 10 year span.

[Deckard 13]

Pretty sure I was looking at the Ballon D'or list once and his name sticks out like a sore thumb. Genuine world class talent and then Owen.

[Wallsendmag]

Owen was class man, the 'never scored 20 in a season' argument is s*** too. Why should that make him not great? He averaged just under 1 in 2 up until he left us over a 10 year span.

 

Imo the word "great" is thrown about too easily. When I think of "great" players who have graced the PL Michael Owens name doesn't exactly spring to mind. Also for a player who really only had pace and goals to his game unlike Henry or Shearer for example for him never to have managed 20 in any given season is a bit poor.

[Guest]

He scored 18 in 36, 18 in 30, 16 in 28, 19 in 29, 19 in 35 & 16 in 29. Are we saying because he fell short of 20 (why that should be a magic number anyway like) by the odd goal mainly due to injury, that should take anything away from him?