Emmanuel Rivière

[Chris_R]

The bloke's on a hiding to nothing. Feel quite sorry for him tbh, absolute thankless task to lead this 'line'.

 

Lead the line - Even the term should offer a clue as to where we're going wrong.

 

There's no fucking line to lead. Bloke's up there on his own leading a line of 1. Hardly a miracle that it isn't working.

[merlin]

No question that Pardew's catenaccio tactics will make it hard for any striker, but Riviere is hardly in the Remy class when it comes to getting goals. His record wasn't too great in France and that can hardly be expected to improve in a tougher league like the PL. Remy had the advantages of possessing pace off the mark(something Cisse badly lacks)and the ability to judge balls played behind the last defender...he also had the advantage of having Cabaye behind him.

Riviere possesses none of these attributes, willing enough though he seems to be and he will struggle to score in this side as will many strikers.

Ashley and Co are unwilling to pay big money to secure a decent PL standard forward so goals will be a rare commodity. Strikers are always going to cost the largest outlay in building a team and the fact that the club bosses won't find this cash will be a big problem. Add Pardew to the equation and goal-scoring becomes like climbing Everest....goal-scoring m/f players like de Jong are just the icing on the cake - they can NEVER make up for the lack of a decent striker.

[Guest thenorthumbrian]

Might just take one game and it'll click. Ba was getting stick, got a hat trick against Blackburn and that was him away.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Riviere's Blackburn.

 

Hope you're right but as willing a worker as he seems is he as capable a goalscorer as Ba, I doubt it. 

[Unbelievable]

I wouldn't say Riviere had a lack of pace or movement. From what I've seen so far his main problem may be his lack of composure when that one chance he might get per game comes his way.

[Decky]

Unless he is blatantly bad none of this seasons shit will be his fault. All about Pardew.

[morpeth mag]

Took his goal against Shalke well and got a couple of tap ins in the other pre-season games. Jury out, but give him time. Same goes for all the other new players. As Pardew survived the close of last season he'll get until at least Xmas imo. Clear indication last night that Riviere is going to be the main striker for the next few months.

[toptoon]

He's quick, deceptively very strong, can lead the line, play up top on his own, seems to have it all apart from …...what i have seen so far he can't shoot ! Which is a bit of a problem for a centre forward. He doesn't seem to know when to pull the trigger and just panics and hoofs it.

 

Its very very early days and hopefully he improves dramatically but i have serious doubts about his shooting ability already. I want to see Chucky given a go ASAP as he seems to know where the back of the net is which is quite useful for a striker. Pardew seems like he's going to stick with him though which is very worrying.

 

Against Palace we need to score:

 

                          Chucky

       

                De Jong

Gouffran

or Aarons  Colback  Sissoko  Cabella

 

Dummett Colo  Taylor  Jaanmat

 

                  Krul

 

Perhaps start with Gouffran and bring on Aarons if needs be (obviously i'd have HBA in for Aarons if there was a cat in hells chance). If Chucky doesn't look up to it give Perez or Gouffran a shot up top.

 

 

[Ryan_Taylor]

Gouffran should either play up top or not at all

[Consortium of one]

I remember a play the kid made in his first game against City.  He ran down the penalty box, beat a defender to the ball just before it crossed the endline,  holds the defender off, turns and and looks to send the ball back into the box and there wasn't a single Newcastle player in the penalty box.  I was like WTF?  He busts his ass to get the ball and all our other attacking players are staying back in defensive positions?

 

 

[Yorkie]

Might just take one game and it'll click. Ba was getting stick, got a hat trick against Blackburn and that was him away.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Riviere's Blackburn.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Pardew's equivalent of Souness' Man City away.

 

I can't do this any more; the whole 'wanting the opposition to win' thing. It was doable during that six-game losing streak cos it seemed actually possible that Pardew might lose his job. He simply isn't going to. It isn't going to happen so we need to get used to it. What more evidence do people need that proves he is going to be here as long as Ashley is? I've defaulted back to wanting us to win because I fear, if I make a habit out of actively wishing defeat on Newcastle, my interest and love for the club will be irreparably damaged.

[TRon]

The bloke's on a hiding to nothing. Feel quite sorry for him tbh, absolute thankless task to lead this 'line'.

 

Lead the line - Even the term should offer a clue as to where we're going wrong.

 

There's no fucking line to lead. Bloke's up there on his own leading a line of 1. Hardly a miracle that it isn't working.

 

He needs to lead the line and then bang one in from nowhere while the rest of the line watches from their own half basically.

[The College Dropout]

Might just take one game and it'll click. Ba was getting stick, got a hat trick against Blackburn and that was him away.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Riviere's Blackburn.

He had Best doing a decent bit of donkey work. And Yohan Cabaye feeding some bullets. Riviere I fear isn't as talented nor has the support.

[Ronaldo]

Yeah, I'd go along with that.

[ads]

He's quick, deceptively very strong, can lead the line, play up top on his own, seems to have it all apart from …...what i have seen so far he can't shoot ! Which is a bit of a problem for a centre forward. He doesn't seem to know when to pull the trigger and just panics and hoofs it.

 

Its very very early days and hopefully he improves dramatically but i have serious doubts about his shooting ability already. I want to see Chucky given a go ASAP as he seems to know where the back of the net is which is quite useful for a striker. Pardew seems like he's going to stick with him though which is very worrying.

 

Against Palace we need to score:

 

                          Chucky

       

                De Jong

Gouffran

or Aarons  Colback  Sissoko  Cabella

 

Dummett Colo  Taylor  Jaanmat

 

                  Krul

 

Perhaps start with Gouffran and bring on Aarons if needs be (obviously i'd have HBA in for Aarons if there was a cat in hells chance). If Chucky doesn't look up to it give Perez or Gouffran a shot up top.

Dummett?

[Ryan_Taylor]

 

I remember a play the kid made in his first game against City.  He ran down the penalty box, beat a defender to the ball just before it crossed the endline,  holds the defender off, turns and and looks to send the ball back into the box and there wasn't a single Newcastle player in the penalty box.  I was like WTF?  He busts his ass to get the ball and all our other attacking players are staying back in defensive positions?

 

Of course they are. Can't try and score a goal man. What if counter attack!

[Varadi]

Might just take one game and it'll click. Ba was getting stick, got a hat trick against Blackburn and that was him away.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Riviere's Blackburn.

 

Hopefully Palace can be Pardew's equivalent of Souness' Man City away.

 

I can't do this any more; the whole 'wanting the opposition to win' thing. It was doable during that six-game losing streak cos it seemed actually possible that Pardew might lose his job. He simply isn't going to. It isn't going to happen so we need to get used to it. What more evidence do people need that proves he is going to be here as long as Ashley is? I've defaulted back to wanting us to win because I fear, if I make a habit out of actively wishing defeat on Newcastle, my interest and love for the club will be irreparably damaged.

 

I'm at the point where I still kind of want us to win while I'm actually watching the game but when we inevitably don't it doesn't bother me too much as it might just mean something changes.

 

Basically there's no real highs or lows anymore, which is shit.

[Cronky]

He's quick, deceptively very strong, can lead the line, play up top on his own, seems to have it all apart from …...what i have seen so far he can't shoot ! Which is a bit of a problem for a centre forward. He doesn't seem to know when to pull the trigger and just panics and hoofs it.

 

Its very very early days and hopefully he improves dramatically but i have serious doubts about his shooting ability already. I want to see Chucky given a go ASAP as he seems to know where the back of the net is which is quite useful for a striker. Pardew seems like he's going to stick with him though which is very worrying.

 

Against Palace we need to score:

 

                          Chucky

       

                De Jong

Gouffran

or Aarons  Colback  Sissoko  Cabella

 

Dummett Colo  Taylor  Jaanmat

 

                  Krul

 

Perhaps start with Gouffran and bring on Aarons if needs be (obviously i'd have HBA in for Aarons if there was a cat in hells chance). If Chucky doesn't look up to it give Perez or Gouffran a shot up top.

 

 

It's hard to say at the moment. I've seen Riviere scuffing his shot a couple of times, but in each case, it's been on his weaker foot, and he's really had to fight to create the shooting opportunity. Nerves may be kicking in as well, like he's trying too hard. Other aspects of his game have been pretty good, and shooting is one skill that I think can be effectively worked on.

 

Pitching Chucky in at this stage feels like panic, as though anybody's got to be better. I suspect as well that there are fitness issues with Chucky at the moment.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It would be extremely harsh to drop Riviere at this point like. We shouldn't sign players at all if we're going to give up on them after two games with no service, one grafting against Man City on his own.

[Guest thenorthumbrian]

It would be extremely harsh to drop Riviere at this point like. We shouldn't sign players at all if we're going to give up on them after two games with no service, one grafting against Man City on his own.

 

Riviere might benefit from having De Jong in the team playing the number 10 role, he looks like he has suffered from a lack of a support so far. 

[Disco]

The lack of support, on the counter in particular, in the City game was criminal. God forbid we have more than 3 players in the opposition half at any one time on a counter.

[Minhosa]

A chronic lack of movement has always been a huge issue under Pardews reign. There's a fundamental lack of fluidity about our play, hardly any 'pass and go' nor do we ever seem joined up in our attacking momentum.

 

We are the very definition of a pedestrian side.

 

It's a shame with the amount of ability we have in the squad that it goes missing other than the odd individual flash of brilliance here or the rare glimpse of genius there.

 

Unless we sign someone who is guaranteed goals I fear for us this season.

 

It's like going back in time.......though, rather than relying on Kevin Nolan to pounce on knockdowns and rebounds, it's now De Jong.

 

Have we really actually improved as a side since the days of Barton, Nolan, Carroll et al under CH? It doesn't feel like we've moved forward at all. Still, we've made a few quid though, so that'll count for something.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's like going back in time.......though, rather than relying on Kevin Nolan to pounce on knockdowns and rebounds, it's now De Jong.

 

And nobody to knock them down.

[Minhosa]

It's like going back in time.......though, rather than relying on Kevin Nolan to pounce on knockdowns and rebounds, it's now De Jong.

 

And nobody to knock them down.

 

Hence the reason for sticking that post in this thread. I think that's Riviere's prime job. His role in the '1' is to knock down, hold up and bring in to play.

 

We already know he's not exactly widely known for goalscoring exploits, so I can only assume he's been brought in to play the target man role for the benefit of De Jong, Cabella etc.

 

If the ball keeps coming back, bouncing off him or generally ending up in the possession of the opposition then its clear he's not the man for it and I'm not sure how much longer AP perseveres given how toothless we look.

 

I've said it all pre-season, our survival this season, looks wholly down to De Jongs ability to score goals UNLESS we sign someone proven to score goals. And, even then, if AP is insistent on playing this new system and incorporating the extra midfielder, they've not just got to be proven to score goals but to score them in a system that's basically designed to soak up pressure and counter attack.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

IMO he's mainly lost the ball because there's nobody anywhere near him to give it to. His strength is good and his touch looks decent too. He's not a proper target man, but I don't think we necessarily need one.

[Minhosa]

IMO he's mainly lost the ball because there's nobody anywhere near him to give it to. His strength is good and his touch looks decent too. He's not a proper target man, but I don't think we necessarily need one.

 

That's the exact reason I see De Jong as being key. If he doesn't produce or turns out to be injury prone then I genuinely don't see where the goals are coming from.

 

I think in a 4-5-1, the '1' has to be able to bring others into play and become a target for attacking possession. If he can't manage the ball for a period of time for the defensively minded fucknuggets we've got in midfield to catch up with the play then we've got jack all chance of scoring goals at any frequency imho.

 

So, whether he is or he isn't a targetman, he's going to be using an awful lot of similar characteristics.

 

And, at the risk of repeating myself, if AP insists on this system, I'm not sure Remy would make an awful lot of difference in terms of overall team goals.