triggs Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Think the league is actually pretty good on the whole this season. The top teams are poor compared to what they were but almost every team have a few class players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Watford's side isn't miles better than ours, and they are 8th. McClaren is doing is a fucking terrible job They have two strikers bang in form and a solid, strong team apart from that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Think the league is actually pretty good on the whole this season. The top teams are poor compared to what they were but almost every team have a few class players aye I agree. Watford's side isn't miles better than ours, and they are 8th. McClaren is doing is a f***ing terrible job Give us Capour, Deeney and Igahlo we would be top half easy. As Ba / Best showed - if you've got 2 powerful, good finishers up top that can scare a defence to death and beat them to it - the 9 other players just have to keep it tight. Some of these Igahlo goals are classic Demba/Best. Deeney knocks it into a bit of space, Igahlo storms everyone out the way and bosh into the net. Keep it tight - win with a bit of magic can be powerful when everyone is confident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Watford's side isn't miles better than ours, and they are 8th. McClaren is doing is a f***ing terrible job They have two strikers bang in form and a solid, strong team apart from that They also just got promoted. They happen to have a very well organised and forward thinking manager. And bought a lot of players in the Summer. They're a strong, athletic side with a pretty solid core and obvious strengths to play to. We have soft centre halves, weak midfielders, a lack of creativity and no obvious goalscorer. This team's no better than 15th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Check out the state of Pardew's Europa League results. :lol: That's mint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I don't think Watford play good football, btw. They seem to be strong and disciplined and get it up to the front 2 quickly who do plenty of damage on their own. Ighalo is class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Nah. They've been the most direct team I've seen at SJP this season. Kept playing long diagonals to Deeney and Igahlo and we couldn't handle it. Deeney is a real leader too. Fantastic work rate. Great in the air. Strong. Team player. He's been fantastic - way better than any of our lot. We never looked like scoring against them either. The whole team is confident so they're playing it about a bit but mostly it's strength, athleticism and organisation down the spine with massive quality up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 People forget we don't have a team, it's just a bunch of individuals bought because of our farcical transfer policy. That's why we are almost bottom and will continue to stay there until the transfer policy is gone and we start buying players to fix areas where we are woeful at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 They do, and I think it's a lot to do with the manager, there would have been no one tipping them for top half this season, no way Have to disagree, I don't see much style. Flores doesn't really have much of a good reputation, either, I'm sure VI mentioned he was a pretty uninspiring, pragmatic manager, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it You're making up opinions to argue with man. Everyone knows our form to date and the position we're in is unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's f***ing laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it I think this requires solid fundamentals and superb team spirit. Strong defenders, midfielders that compete, attackers that cause problems and score goals. To varying degrees that's what Leicester, Watford and Palace have (bit of magic rather than goalscoring attackers). We don't have any of those. No dominant CB's like them, no competitive central midfielders like Cabaye, Capoue or Kante, no goalscorers like Mahrez or Igahlo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You need both obviously. Mark Hughes is not an awful manager but you'd think so if you just went off QPR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You need both obviously. Mark Hughes is not an awful manager but you'd think so if you just went off QPR. His record at Wales, Fulham, Blackburn and now Stoke are really impressive. Doesn't get the credit he deserves Hughes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I find it hard to praise Hughes cos he's so much of a wanker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You need both obviously. Mark Hughes is not an awful manager but you'd think so if you just went off QPR. His record at Wales, Fulham, Blackburn and now Stoke are really impressive. Doesn't get the credit he deserves Hughes. Completely agree. He was never the right fit for Man City, and no idea what happened with QPR, but I think he's a good manager who plays good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You need both obviously. Mark Hughes is not an awful manager but you'd think so if you just went off QPR. His record at Wales, Fulham, Blackburn and now Stoke are really impressive. Doesn't get the credit he deserves Hughes. Completely agree. He was never the right fit for Man City, and no idea what happened with QPR, but I think he's a good manager who plays good football. I can't stand the way Hughes goes on but in Arnautovic, Bojan & Shaqiri, he's formed a great front 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it You're making up opinions to argue with man. Everyone knows our form to date and the position we're in is unacceptable. I don't think I am, go to the McClaren thread and it's full of people explaining why we can't compete because Janmaat can't defend, Dummett is shit, Mbemba is young, Colo is shot, Colback and Anita are small and shit, Mitrovic is young and new.... and so on right through the team. It's all excuses for the manager being unable to make them into more than the sum of their parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's f***ing laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it I think this requires solid fundamentals and superb team spirit. Strong defenders, midfielders that compete, attackers that cause problems and score goals. To varying degrees that's what Leicester, Watford and Palace have (bit of magic rather than goalscoring attackers). We don't have any of those. No dominant CB's like them, no competitive central midfielders like Cabaye, Capoue or Kante, no goalscorers like Mahrez or Igahlo. I think you're right to a degree but I refuse to accept there's not a consistent goal threat capable of being developed from a combination of Thauvin, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Mitrovic, Perez & De Jong. That is a very dangerous group of players and McClaren has not managed to get them looking anything like an attacking unit that can perform well consistently. This is the whole point about him - a good manager could do better, that's all anyone is saying about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it You're making up opinions to argue with man. Everyone knows our form to date and the position we're in is unacceptable. I don't think I am, go to the McClaren thread and it's full of people explaining why we can't compete because Janmaat can't defend, Dummett is shit, Mbemba is young, Colo is shot, Colback and Anita are small and shit, Mitrovic is young and new.... and so on right through the team. It's all excuses for the manager being unable to make them into more than the sum of their parts. Agree completely, we all know the shortcomings of the team, but there is no way he is getting anywhere near the best out of them. We've an attacking winger sat on the bench doing fuck all, and he's not even attempted to change our midfield in any way. no one is saying we should be up there with Leicester but another 6-9 points and comfortable mid table would be on the board with a good manager. I'm not sure why it's even up for debate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Leicester That's all you really had to say on this matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it You're making up opinions to argue with man. Everyone knows our form to date and the position we're in is unacceptable. I don't think I am, go to the McClaren thread and it's full of people explaining why we can't compete because Janmaat can't defend, Dummett is shit, Mbemba is young, Colo is shot, Colback and Anita are small and shit, Mitrovic is young and new.... and so on right through the team. It's all excuses for the manager being unable to make them into more than the sum of their parts. Agree completely, we all know the shortcomings of the team, but there is no way he is getting anywhere near the best out of them. We've an attacking winger sat on the bench doing fuck all, and he's not even attempted to change our midfield in any way. no one is saying we should be up there with Leicester but another 6-9 points and comfortable mid table would be on the board with a good manager. I'm not sure why it's even up for debate It's not up for debate. An additional 6 points is the bare minimum we should have. Pointing out that the squad we have is fairly pitiful doesn't excuse it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Leicester That's all you really had to say on this matter. Well yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 . The manager is getting more than the sum of their parts. Starting to really get to me now that so many people on this board apparently don't think this is possible and that we're just doomed to be where we are because we don't have a 100% mint squad. It's fucking laughable, a good manager would have us performing, no doubt about it You're making up opinions to argue with man. Everyone knows our form to date and the position we're in is unacceptable. I don't think I am, go to the McClaren thread and it's full of people explaining why we can't compete because Janmaat can't defend, Dummett is shit, Mbemba is young, Colo is shot, Colback and Anita are small and shit, Mitrovic is young and new.... and so on right through the team. It's all excuses for the manager being unable to make them into more than the sum of their parts. Agree completely, we all know the shortcomings of the team, but there is no way he is getting anywhere near the best out of them. We've an attacking winger sat on the bench doing fuck all, and he's not even attempted to change our midfield in any way. no one is saying we should be up there with Leicester but another 6-9 points and comfortable mid table would be on the board with a good manager. I'm not sure why it's even up for debate It's not up for debate. An additional 6 points is the bare minimum we should have. Pointing out that the squad we have is fairly pitiful doesn't excuse it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Nah. They've been the most direct team I've seen at SJP this season. Kept playing long diagonals to Deeney and Igahlo and we couldn't handle it. Deeney is a real leader too. Fantastic work rate. Great in the air. Strong. Team player. He's been fantastic - way better than any of our lot.We never looked like scoring against them either. The whole team is confident so they're playing it about a bit but mostly it's strength, athleticism and organisation down the spine with massive quality up top. Except when we scored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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