geordie_b Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Dreaded vote of confidence - who knows what'll happen after the Hull bloodbath? We go out of the Cup to Palace and then lose away to Stoke infront of the Sky cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Does anyone look forward to match days anymore? Used to be the highlight of my week but it is hard to imagine anyone getting excited these days. For the first time in my life I celebrated a defeat on Saturday. Never thought I`d ever do that Ever Same. I had a game Saturday and was in the changing room straight after. Lad come up to me looking a bit glum and said 'your boys aren't doing too well mate. 3-0 down.' He looked a bit puzzled when I smiled and fist pumped. How in the fuck has it come to this? Wanting my team to lose FFS?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Graeme Bailey has deleted his last tweet as far as I can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Graeme Bailey has deleted his last tweet as far as I can see. what was it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Pardew really must have some ego on him. Ashley is completely hanging him out to dry. I'd be amazed if Ashley is there on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Shouldn't say it but it really would be class if some fans managed to chin Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Shouldn't say it but it really would be class if some fans managed to chin Pardew. shouldn't say it...but definitely YES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Shouldn't say it but it really would be class if some fans managed to chin Pardew. shouldn't say it...but definitely YES Worse than a chinning has been wished on him many times, I wouldn't worry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, how will you all celebrate? I'm expecting random forumites I don't know IRL to contact me through means they shouldn't be able to (eg- to text my personal number etc) as the news breaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, another set of worries will start TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 We're gonna win on Saturday aren't we. Hell no man. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, how will you all celebrate? I'm expecting random forumites I don't know IRL to contact me through means they shouldn't be able to (eg- to text my personal number etc) as the news breaks. quiet moment of reflection i reckon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, how will you all celebrate? I'm expecting random forumites I don't know IRL to contact me through means they shouldn't be able to (eg- to text my personal number etc) as the news breaks. With 20 jumping jacks followed by a celebratory star jump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, another set of worries will start TBH. Its all about chipping away at the fat man... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, another set of worries will start TBH. Not for me they won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Does anyone look forward to match days anymore? Used to be the highlight of my week but it is hard to imagine anyone getting excited these days. For the first time in my life I celebrated a defeat on Saturday. Never thought I`d ever do that Ever The first time? Really? I've been supporting the opposition for months and months now. You must be a very patient man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I still can't support the opposition, I just feel weirdly nothing when we score or concede. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsah Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 He'll walk after Saturday This The man has family etc. and I reckon that he will be on the receipt of such vitriol that they will eventually clamour for him to go 'for his own good / safety / health'... Already had 1 doylem at St. Marys trying to get at him - I fully expect more similar instances if he stays... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, another set of worries will start TBH. Not for me they won't. Going to the game or still sworn off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Sums you as a person to be honest, Ian. You'd much prefer to make the wrong decision by doing nothing than something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 There are shots and they have been fired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 If he goes, another set of worries will start TBH. Not for me they won't. Going to the game or still sworn off? I'll stay away most likely but there's certainly more temptation for it than any game over the past 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Surprised the club haven't invented some death threats yet tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Surprised the club haven't invented some death threats yet tbh. I'm sure someone will be noting down this idea as we speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Time for change at Newcastle United, Alan Pardew has reached point of no return George Caulkin Updated 1 minute ago the game blog It is broken. Not frayed, but broken. Not hanging by a thread, but broken. Not fractured, but broken. The relationship between Alan Pardew and the supporters of Newcastle United can no longer be framed in terms of tension or discontent, grumbling or unease because, on the face of it, there is no longer a relationship to frame. There is a fissure at the heart of the football club which can neither be ignored or repaired. There is a point in the cycle when the conversation stops being about whether a manager can turn things around, whether he is motivating his players, whether he is good enough, bold enough or suited to the rhythm of his workplace and it starts being about timing. Amid the banners and slogans of fans who had travelled to Southampton on Saturday, the 4-0 defeat, the calls for dismissal, the mockery and derision, the sight of a coach rounding on fans, that point was crossed. There is nothing knee-jerk about Newcastle’s predicament. It is not a response to four league matches without victory, nor the team’s position at the foot of the Barclays Premier League. This is not because Pardew was born in London or because his club’s followers are a restless, seething mass of deluded sheet-daubers, although you could be forgiven for thinking that; it is a dull, old complaint, but fans remain the subject of witless stereotyping. This is about history. It is also about facts. Back in May, Newcastle won a match against Cardiff City 3-0, although victory proved a relative concept. The unrest began in the third minute, with a chant directed at Mike Ashley, the owner. There were two organised walkouts, in the 60th and 69th minutes, accompanied by chants of “We want Pardew out” and “Alan Pardew, it’s never you fault.” Pardew, who had recently been banished from the touchline, was beaten back again by a surge of vitriol. At any other stage of the season, his position would have been intolerable; episodes such as that are rare, but they linger in the memory and trust, faith and understanding had been forsaken. What worked in Pardew’s favour was the full stop provided by the end of the season, an opportunity to turn a page and begin afresh. Nine players were signed in the summer. Pardew spoke about the “new Newcastle United.” But, the context for the Southampton result is deep. Over the course of 2014, Newcastle have won five games in the league; stack up the numbers and it is relegation form. In nine of those 23 matches, 15 of which have been lost, they have conceded three goals or more, while their biggest victory, 4-1 at Hull City, came with Pardew earning an official warning, a fine of £100,000 and a long suspension from the touchline over his boorish altercation with David Meyler. The 53-year-old is the second longest-serving manager in the division, but only once has Pardew led Newcastle beyond the third round of the FA Cup, while his record in the Capital One Cup is little better. He has presided over three consecutive defeats to Sunderland, the club’s local rivals, a dubious achievement last achieved in 1924. There are a welter of other statistics, but there is also the evidence of the eyes. Impatience does not taint that evidence. There is a great lie about Newcastle supporters - Sunderland, too - and it centres on the word “expectation”. It implies grandeur, ideas above their station, a stubborn refusal to accept reality. There is nothing wrong with pushing for improvement - if you finish sixth one year, why not hope for fifth the next? - and if you have a crowd of 52,000 where is the crime in ambition, but “expectation” has become a handy excuse for failed managers. It is also rubbish. When Newcastle stir, it is worth listening, simply because it happens so infrequently. If Newcastle fans express concern at their manager, then you pay attention because loyalty clings to them like guilt. There have been spasms of anger, but there was no revolution when Ashley’s decisions propelled the club towards relegation, when the name of the stadium was changed, when Joe Kinnear came and went. If there is fury now, it means something. It means something because the reality of Newcastle is not ferment or turmoil. It is the opposite. If they have been threatened with anything, it is by the stealth of apathy, an acceptance of their lot, an existence made up of “priorities”, by the dash for ninth, where the Europa League is an inconvenience. Where a sporting institution straining for glory has been replaced by a works’ team which plods on for the sake of it, recycling money. It is no longer mitigation to say that Pardew is a decent manager; if he is, he is not showing it. It is no longer mitigation to say that Newcastle finished fifth in 2012; they did, but so what? It is no longer mitigation to say the devil you know is better than the one you don’t; little (more Kinnear apart) could be less rewarding than this. And, it is no longer mitigation to say that Ashley is the problem; he may be, but for the next two years, he is staying put. When the Pardew era is judged, the structure of the club will be a contributing factor. Good managers challenge; they challenge players to improve and challenge owners to invest, but Ashley does not want to be challenged. The delineation of duties between manager and Graham Carr, the influential chief scout, has never been precise enough, while their transfer policy can simultaneously be worthy, uncompromising and flawed. It is not Pardew’s fault that Kinnear was a risible appointment as director of football, that two windows opened and shut without Newcastle making a permanent signing. It was not his doing that Yohan Cabaye was sold in January, robbing his team of its creative fulcrum. It is not down to him that a frontline replacement for Loïc Rémy was not found. If Rémy Cabella has not yet settled and Siem de Jong is injured, can he be held accountable? Yet Pardew fell out with Hatem Ben Arfa and dispatched him to Hull City on-loan; the France international, prickly but popular, was deemed an asset, explanations were not given and the propaganda battle lost. Because Pardew is the only public face at Newcastle, each word he utters is poured over and picked apart and even if his tone is reasonable, it is the other stuff that grasps the attention. He is tarnished by association. In the final analysis, results have been so miserable that sympathy has leeched away; the matters Pardew cannot control are now overshadowed by results, his core responsibility. Those results could turn, but Cardiff and Southampton have illustrated that pressing the reset button will not do much and if it means the manager being stricken in his dugout or his assistant breaking off from a warm-up session to remonstrate with supporters, then something has been lost. The decision, when it comes, will be Ashley’s and, having banned journalists who wrote last week that Pardew had two games to save his job, the only indication is reassuring for the manager, but the worth of that may be limited; gambling is second-nature to the owner, but he will not risk another relegation. That is the bottom line and Ashley cares most about the bottom line, but the cry from the stands is now loud and constant: it is time for change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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