Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Submissive, weak, blindly loyal pliable fans. Pathetic bunch in all honesty. Bang on and this is one of the major reasons why the club has underachieved for so many years, because fans accept any old shit. At any other big club and Ashley would have been hounded out years ago and Pardew too. We have the biggest bunch of losers in the UK when it comes to match day fans. I've never been more embarrassed sat inside SJP than against Hull. Wild celebrations for earning a point. Morons! They deserve the Ashley/Pardew dream team, Wonga shirts and the SD arena, because lets face it that's what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think a lot of it is to do with how much of a social occasion the match is. Almost every other set of PL fans have to go off the beaten track to get to the match. Loads of our fans aren't overly bothered about the result or performance as long as they can have a drink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think a lot of it is to do with how much of a social occasion the match is. Almost every other set of PL fans have to go off the beaten track to get to the match. Loads of our fans aren't overly bothered about the result or performance as long as they can have a drink. Fairly common problem for a lot of London clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I blame Interpolic for me joining the TF Facebook group, featuring some of humanity's stupidest specimens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 You'd have to expect the home crowd to finally turn when Sunderland beat us. I feel very dirty for wanting them to beat us too though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I blame Interpolic for me joining the TF Facebook group, featuring some of humanity's stupidest specimens. It's fucking awful like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump. I disagree with that sorry. Most London clubs' fans are from the local areas and will drink/socialise around them (they have a sense of pride for their postcode), hence why we have so many bloody clubs in the big smoke. Spurs fans are a good example actually, they normally come from Tottenham/Wood Green/Barnet/Seven Sisters etc all of which are very close to WHL and with plenty of run down boozers to choose from Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Nah. Their fans are far more likely to come from far and wide. There's no way Spurs fans would usually drink in that dump. I disagree with that sorry. Most London clubs' fans are from the local areas and will drink/socialise around them (they have a sense of pride for their postcode), hence why we have so many bloody clubs in the big smoke. Spurs fans are a good example actually, they normally come from Tottenham/Wood Green/Barnet/Seven Sisters etc all of which are very close to WHL and with plenty of run down boozers to choose from Nah. I've lived down south for 14 years, at distances ranging 90 to 40 miles away from North London. In all of the places we've lived there's been Spurs fans who regularly go to games. Most of those guys jump on the train and have beers there in my experience. It's a totally different vibe to NUFC. One city, one club and a fervent support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Minhosa's view is obviously the perception I had but obviously there's going to be a core of local supporters everywhere. There's plenty of Salford lads support Man United but that is dwarfed by the others they attract from all over the place with very high expectations. I really do think if you're having to trek to a retail park and back, or commute into London, to watch something atrocious, that's likely to annoy you a lot more in the long term and so you'll ultimately have less tolerance for it. Leaving the pub at 2.55 and being back before 5 can make the match a minor inconvenience for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm a born and bred Londoner I said 'most' and I certainly stick by that- there's no way most Spurs fans travel from across the South to watch home games, most are from the N London area. Unfortunately I know and am friends with plenty of 'Yiddos' and have even done the matchday walk from Wood Green on many occasions. Yes there are plenty of fans that live miles away (like all clubs), especially those from the 'white flight' phenomenon that live in Essex, M Keynes, East Anglia, Sussex, Surrey etc but they don't make up the majority of home fans whatsoever. To think NUFC is a special case is a bit naive IMO, and I certainly wouldn't agree that we have fervent support anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think a lot of it is to do with how much of a social occasion the match is. Almost every other set of PL fans have to go off the beaten track to get to the match. Loads of our fans aren't overly bothered about the result or performance as long as they can have a drink. This. And I also have to say it's far easier for people on here who don't attend to call for mass vocal protests than it is for fans at the game itself to grasp the nettle. Do people honestly expect all fans at the match - season ticket money spent, many of them accompanied by kid(s), others just glad to be out of the house and on the lash, many not naturally inclined to take an individual stand and draw attention to themselves - to actively celebrate opposition goals? Depressing it may be that the ferocity of the anti-AP feeling on here - totally justified as it is - is not reflected in the matchday atmosphere. But life is far simpler online. *fixes chinstrap on tin hat* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I don't expect people to be as fervent in their response to our situation as the protest demographic; but to tell fellow fans to shut the fuck up or to sit down out of fear of rocking and already sinking boat is just bizarre and a depressing indictment. Probs not the stock response by everyone but it definitely happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 it was the "at it him" i didn't get, seemed like a word missing I didn't notice the typo, it's supposed to say I'm just looking at him. It's not really apathy, either. You know the episode of South Park where Cartman sees the two people with bums for faces and it's so funny he can't laugh? It's a bit like that. I hate Pardew and everything associated with NUFC (except this forum) so much now but I know there's little chance of change. So I'm just staring at it, emotionless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I'm a born and bred Londoner I said 'most' and I certainly stick by that- there's no way most Spurs fans travel from across the South to watch home games, most are from the N London area. Unfortunately I know and am friends with plenty of 'Yiddos' and have even done the matchday walk from Wood Green on many occasions. Yes there are plenty of fans that live miles away (like all clubs), especially those from the 'white flight' phenomenon that live in Essex, M Keynes, East Anglia, Sussex, Surrey etc but they don't make up the majority of home fans whatsoever. To think NUFC is a special case is a bit naive IMO, and I certainly wouldn't agree that we have fervent support anymore. I'd say our support is still fervent to the extent that it's very much part of the weekly routine, discussed everywhere at length including by old grannys in the street and people still turn up in their tens of thousands to watch a team that's got fuck all chance of achieving anything under the current owner. It might not be vocal but that's because they've got nothing to shout positively about. Easier to sit tight and do their 'duty' and then meet their mates in the pub afterwards before walking into the town to get lashed. The shit football was a minor inconvenience during a day/night out. That's totally different to football and football fans in the south/south east imho. Do they love their clubs any less? No. But the demographic is totally different in so much as the 'match' isn't woven into all elements of society in the way in the way it is in the NE, including Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if the ground was, say, 2 miles out of the centre (like Aston Villa or Everton are) attendances would nosedive. It would instantly be far too much of an inconvenience to watch this fucking dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if the ground was, say, 2 miles out of the centre (like Aston Villa or Everton are) attendances would nosedive. It would instantly be far too much of an inconvenience to watch this fucking dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if the ground was, say, 2 miles out of the centre (like Aston Villa or Everton are) attendances would nosedive. It would instantly be far too much of an inconvenience to watch this f***ing dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrmojorisin75 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think a lot of it is to do with how much of a social occasion the match is. Almost every other set of PL fans have to go off the beaten track to get to the match. Loads of our fans aren't overly bothered about the result or performance as long as they can have a drink. This. And I also have to say it's far easier for people on here who don't attend to call for mass vocal protests than it is for fans at the game itself to grasp the nettle. Do people honestly expect all fans at the match - season ticket money spent, many of them accompanied by kid(s), others just glad to be out of the house and on the lash, many not naturally inclined to take an individual stand and draw attention to themselves - to actively celebrate opposition goals? Depressing it may be that the ferocity of the anti-AP feeling on here - totally justified as it is - is not reflected in the matchday atmosphere. But life is far simpler online. *fixes chinstrap on tin hat* where has anyone ever called for fans at the match to "actively celebrate opposition goals"? absolute bullshit as for the bit in bold you'd imagine that all of expenditure is something that might drive people to wake up and realise the utter shit they're being served, we do it in all other walks of life, sadly we seem to have more "supporters of football" than "supporters of NUFC" these days or there'd be fucking hell on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I think that the problem is exactly that it is a one club city - there are so many more casual fans on tap that Mike Ashley can draw in that don't have another club to support reasonably locally, with cheap matchday tickets/season tickets to replace all the loyal, more knowledgeable support that have walked. If the fans had walked away at a club in say London or another area with lots of clubs (Yorkshire, Lancashire, Merseyside), there wouldn't have been the pool of untapped support to draw from to replace those walking away. In hindsight, instead of all walking away, we'd have been better off staying involved in the matchdays and protesting as a unified force, not this smattering of people across thousands of don't-know-any-betters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Blaming the fans is no less pathetic and wrong as it is when Pardew does it. Can't believe I'm reading the fans being blamed for things they have zero control over (further back in this thread). Very easy for people on a forum, who don't go, to claim others should follow suit. The shit on the pitch is Pardew's fault. The classless and crass club is Ashley's fault. Before MA bought us we were a classy outfit and had been through some highflying times. Depends which posts you're referring to. The fans that still go certainly have 100% control over whether they give Mike Ashley £500+ a season. I say that as somebody who packed in at the end of last season and lost a sizable amount that I'd already paid. Worth every penny to no longer be contributing to Alan Pardew's existence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I hold myself personally responsible for the current woes of NUFC. Feel free to do likewise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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