mrmojorisin75 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's not hard to say, he hasn't turned a corner. i meant in terms of this season and a relegation fight personally think we're more likely to see more performances like the 1st half yesterday than the 2nd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's not hard to say, he hasn't turned a corner. i meant in terms of this season and a relegation fight personally think we're more likely to see more performances like the 1st half yesterday than the 2nd As far as I can tell it changes nothing. We already knew that given the perfect conditions the team will bail him out once in a while. It's 3 unexpected points but in the grand scheme of things it's not much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's not hard to say, he hasn't turned a corner. i meant in terms of this season and a relegation fight personally think we're more likely to see more performances like the 1st half yesterday than the 2nd As far as I can tell it changes nothing. We already knew that given the perfect conditions the team will bail him out once in a while. It's 3 unexpected points but in the grand scheme of things it's not much. we'll see next game against 2 more of the untouchables....i fully expect him to start with similar shite lineups to how he started yesterday then throw people on if he needs to as he'll probably he's unstoppable now with his subs don't take "turned a corner" the wrong way, we all know this prick will never really change his ways i was responding to someone saying we'll just pickup points off the shite teams, which i don't agree with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 With the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, ManU, Tottenham, Everton having worse starts than us (relatively speaking), he is going no where. May as well lock this thread and open it in 3 years time! Its only clogged up with his bullshit quotes etc. Will take a seriously bad position in December/Jan for him to be in any danger and the last two results combined with the rest of the league being shite this season, has without doubt given this smarmy bastard at least the season and some of next (assuming we stay up). Depressing but as that is how it is, I guess one has two choices - support the team and try and enjoy the football or get on his case (which will not happen with the majority) every game and make it as uncomfortable as possible for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's not hard to say, he hasn't turned a corner. i meant in terms of this season and a relegation fight personally think we're more likely to see more performances like the 1st half yesterday than the 2nd As far as I can tell it changes nothing. We already knew that given the perfect conditions the team will bail him out once in a while. It's 3 unexpected points but in the grand scheme of things it's not much. we'll see next game against 2 more of the untouchables....i fully expect him to start with similar shite lineups to how he started yesterday then throw people on if he needs to as he'll probably he's unstoppable now with his subs don't take "turned a corner" the wrong way, we all know this prick will never really change his ways i was responding to someone saying we'll just pickup points off the shite teams, which i don't agree with Yeah, I don't agree either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I don't think we've turned a corner or even that Pardew has done anything particularly good, but confidence is absolutely massive in football. If you can get a bit of momentum behind you it can take you to results despite everything else. I'm not expecting our tactics to improve, or Pardew to suddenly pick the players I want, but I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up another couple of decent results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I genuinely believe that removing Williamson from the first team has been as big a contributing factor to the turnaround as anything else. The guy is so awful that it must have an impact on the confidence of the players. His constant hoofing of the ball, surrendering posession to our opponents, the awful set piece routine we use every time he's on the pitch, his complete inability to defend etc. The longer he is out of the first 11, the better chance we have of keeping this run going. Fist pumps is no Tony Adams but he's twice the player Williamson is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's worth dropping Willo just to avoid the fucking set piece routine. In fact it's worth killing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's worth dropping Willo just to avoid the f***ing set piece routine. In fact it's worth killing him. Agreed. It's completely counter-productive having him on the pitch. We actually tried something different from a free kick in the first half yesterday - dinked ball to Colo down the right - it didn't come off but it was good to see the players trying something different. Probably got a bollocking from The King at half-time mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Pardew is all about team spirit, confidence, hard work. I knew it before but it all clicked when someone posted up those comments from Wham sound man or whatever. He doesn't have the ability to turn games/situations with footballing intellect. Get a small group of players, get the team spirit right, pace - power and hard work with the right mental state will give most teams a decent season - throw in some quality and you are laughing. It's why he's such a "streaky" manager. When things are going well he won't over complicate things like Benitez might. Just keeps it going. But he's unable to dig himself out of a rut because in bad form morale is gone, spirit is lacking, you can't make the right runs, you feel tired - he has nothing clever in his management to unlock something. It's why he has 1 good season then a bad one, or 1 good half then 1 terrible half. The fact that the players probably realise he's not going anywhere any time soon has meant they've had to dig deep and improve. So have results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Pardew is all about team spirit, confidence, hard work. I knew it before but it all clicked when someone posted up those comments from Wham sound man or whatever. He doesn't have the ability to turn games/situations with footballing intellect. Get a small group of players, get the team spirit right, pace - power and hard work with the right mental state will give most teams a decent season - throw in some quality and you are laughing. It's why he's such a "streaky" manager. When things are going well he won't over complicate things like Benitez might. Just keeps it going. But he's unable to dig himself out of a rut because in bad form morale is gone, spirit is lacking, you can't make the right runs, you feel tired - he has nothing clever in his management to unlock something. It's why he has 1 good season then a bad one, or 1 good half then 1 terrible half. The fact that the players probably realise he's not going anywhere any time soon has meant they've had to dig deep and improve. So have results. Probably about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 If we can return to mediocrity it might at least make the weekends less unbearable, but the worst thing will be the nagging thought that if we slip back into the rutter of utter being twatted every week again we obviously have to be there for over a year before Ashley considers pulling the trigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Pardew is all about team spirit, confidence, hard work. I knew it before but it all clicked when someone posted up those comments from Wham sound man or whatever. He doesn't have the ability to turn games/situations with footballing intellect. Get a small group of players, get the team spirit right, pace - power and hard work with the right mental state will give most teams a decent season - throw in some quality and you are laughing. It's why he's such a "streaky" manager. When things are going well he won't over complicate things like Benitez might. Just keeps it going. But he's unable to dig himself out of a rut because in bad form morale is gone, spirit is lacking, you can't make the right runs, you feel tired - he has nothing clever in his management to unlock something. It's why he has 1 good season then a bad one, or 1 good half then 1 terrible half. The fact that the players probably realise he's not going anywhere any time soon has meant they've had to dig deep and improve. So have results. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 You see with Martinez - when Everton perform badly consistently his way of improving is focusing on the system. Patterns, rhythms of play. Let's move, let's keep the ball. Let's dictate tempo. Le's focus on the way we play. With Pards - it's all let's dig deep. Give it 100%. Run hard. Retain shape defensively and battle. Something will break offensively. If not throw on Marv/HBA/Ameobi etc. That's as cerebral as it gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 You see with Martinez - when Everton perform badly consistently his way of improving is focusing on the system. Patterns, rhythms of play. Let's move, let's keep the ball. Let's dictate tempo. Le's focus on the way we play. With Pards - it's all let's dig deep. Give it 100%. Run hard. Retain shape defensively and battle. Something will break offensively. If not throw on Marv/HBA/Ameobi etc. That's as cerebral as it gets. Thats cos he has the mindset of an old school clogger. If things aren't working out abandon football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He's just a very limited manager with a very set way of playing football, which unfortunately requires a specific set of players. It all fell into place the season we finished 5th - we had enough big guys to hoof the ball up to, we had good full backs, midfielders making the right runs and we had a decent set piece taker. When he doesn't have the requisit players to suit his style he struggles because he has no plan B and no flexibity to change the system to suit the players he does have. That's why he's completely the wrong manager for Newcastle United - Under Ashley/Carr/Charnley he is handed players to work with and rather than looking at what he has and building a system to suit them, he just shoe-horns them into his very rigid system. When the manager doesn't have any control over the players coming into the club, he needs to be as adaptable as possible because there's a very good chance he won't have his midfield maestro or his big physical forward or even his vocal captain. The only way to make it work better is to give Pardew more say on transfer targets so he can mould the team to his style of play (God forbid) or replace him with someone who is more tactically astute and a lot more flexible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I'm not expecting our tactics to improve, or Pardew to suddenly pick the players I want, but I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up another couple of decent results. We play Man City and Liverpool next, plenty of chance to lose confidence ahead of winnable and important games against the likes of WBA and QPR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I wish every bad thing upon Spurs for yesterday. Completely unacceptable from them. Madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Geordie Nation. Cringe Exactly. Not only is he a cunt, he's a patronising cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Apart from pace, power & hard work he doesn't have a footballing philosophy. Maybe safety first but that's it. He's not a long ball merchant but as we have no style of play, limited confidence and technical ability especially at the back we resort to it but he's no prime Big Sam for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The thinking about being most in danger of conceding when you have the ball is no doubt behind the direct approach. If you lose the ball in midfield you are more vulnerable to the opposition's attack. Decent managers reduce the risk by working on passing, midfield movement and ball retention but Pardew's take on risk aversion is to bypass the midfield entirely and just hoof the ball straight up to the strikers ie. as far away from our box as possible, as quickly as possible. There's some twisted logic in it but it's very simplistic, shit to watch and renders our talented midfielders completely redundant most of the time - they're literally there to act as a shield rather than a sword. It's also very easy to play against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Agreed but I don't think it's really a tactic. When things are going well or when the mood takes him we'll pass it around the defence and midfield aimlessly forever. When the nerves get shot he'll encourage safety first. Point being: With Big Sam the long ball was part of the strategy With Pardew the clueless - it's just a result of his approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Geordie Nation. Cringe Yeah, I hate that shit. The commentator was at it yesterday too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Match of the day: "We was no fret first half. Then we was a fret." He cannot even speak English. How is he supposed to be a manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 He's an ex-footballer, the manager pool would be pretty small if good grammar was a requirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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