The College Dropout Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. the point is irrelevant anyway, about how they were after he left....he spent 3 years cutting big earners and bringing on youth players while achieving relative success with league positions - basically everything we'd want him to do at our place (we the shithouse owners obviously) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. the point is irrelevant anyway, about how they were after he left....he spent 3 years cutting big earners and bringing on youth players while achieving relative success with league positions - basically everything we'd want him to do at our place (we the shithouse owners obviously) So like I said. Midtable, average style of play but bringing through youth players. That's not exciting mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. the point is irrelevant anyway, about how they were after he left....he spent 3 years cutting big earners and bringing on youth players while achieving relative success with league positions - basically everything we'd want him to do at our place (we the shithouse owners obviously) So like I said. Midtable, average style of play but bringing through youth players. That's not exciting mate. can't say i've seen his teams play but i'd be utterly astounded if they were pardew levels of eye aids to be honest i'm not sure there's anyone on the planet who can quite suck the joy out of football like alan pardew, so garde would be an improvement on him anyways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Big Sam had a good go, to be fair to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Pretty sure a French poster came on here and delineated why Lyon are basically playing Garde's football now. Lyon have scored 1 more goal than they did last season with 8 games to go. Their GD is +33 compared to +12 of last season. Now I can't talk about style of play but they're scoring way more and conceding way less. Clearly they've improved in all areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Garde isn't at all defensive, like. Like all teams, his side put in the odd defensive display, but they generally played very good stuff. Well, at least when I was more connected to French football they were. They're scoring more because they have Fekir over the likes of Gomis playing with a more mature Lacazette. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at it from this angle: Do you think Pardew could have replicated Garde's success at Lyon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm surprised at how much enthusiasm there's been for Garde from people who are desperate to avoid an unambitious choice for the manager's job. He is one the most underwhelming candidates that's been mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at it from this angle: Do you think Pardew could have replicated Garde's success at Lyon? What success? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Incandenza Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at it from this angle: Do you think Pardew could have replicated Garde's success at Lyon? What success? Rebuilding the squad with youth whilst maintaining good league finishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Look at it from this angle: Do you think Pardew could have replicated Garde's success at Lyon? What success? Well two trophies for a start Don't bother with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. Can you please explain what you mean by Taylor before Wenger ? Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Excellent reference. Wonder if Ashley has three nipples? If he does he will get his minions such as Penfold to suckle on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Can you please explain what you mean by Taylor before Wenger ? Thanks in advance. No he can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Also, the problem with having no ambition is that the focus then inevitably switches to entertainment value of each individual match. I have accepted we're never going to win anything, so it's even more important that the club is respectable and the team is watchable. Sadly at the moment we have none of these things. I don't believe this to be true. Ambition is the name of the game. Would we be a happy set of fans if we where Southampton last season and Swansea this season? Nope. Not me. Surely it depends on the manager we appoint? If we showed some ambition and got someone highly rated in - Tuchel, Garde, Jemez etc - there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the manager would extract more from each player we have and we'd do a fair bit better than Pardew (in terms of style of play/entertainment and points). The only one we've contacted is Garde. And his team have been a lot better since he's left. The other strong rumour is Steve McLaren. Who has failed at all of his "big" jobs. thought this had been covered by people more knowledgeable of the french league than your good self, accepted wisdom is that the current lyon team is benefitting massively from the work garde did in his time as manager The same is true of Taylor before Wenger, Moyes before Martinez. So it could go either way. From the little I know, Garde seems to be the typcial defensive French manager. The new man has let them off their leash. Can you please explain what you mean by Taylor before Wenger ? Thanks in advance. Guessing he means Rioch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 He's never meant Bruce Rioch has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Rioch only lasted a season anyway. Was there a Taylor working with the youth team or something? Otherwise it's just shite... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You lot just aren't erudite enough to get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Sorry meant George Graham. Got his name mixed with Graham Taylor. He was at Arsenal for nearly a decade and put together the back 5 that Wenger used to win his first league title. Rioch was sandwiched inbetween for a season. Wenger kept a number of that team until retirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 And the point is - a team doesn't do significantly better without something changing. Lyon aren't a small club. They might've had to make cutbacks but nothing that makes finishing 5th and winning a couple cups a major achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 And the point is - a team doesn't do significantly better without something changing. Lyon aren't a small club. They might've had to make cutbacks but nothing that makes finishing 5th and winning a couple cups a major achievement. yet during the period we were linked with him anyone talking about garde from the french football side seems to think it was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Newcastle fans moaning about finishing 5th and winning cups. Lunacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Newcastle fans moaning about finishing 5th and winning cups. Lunacy. As an argument to bring Pardew back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think you're making a but if a mistake by not considering context here, TCD. Lyon were in a bad situation and were having to compete in a time where big money was starting to come into Ligue 1. He'd also been making noises about leaving for a while, he'd been a part of the Lyon staff for over 10 years. I think their fans' reaction to him leaving said it all. A supporter base who've enjoyed tremendous success over the last 15 years and they make a banner for Garde (the bloke who only won a couple of trophies) leaving, that shows you the success of his project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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