SEMTEX Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 what if he's not running with the ball cos he's already punted it away Why talk about that when it's not what happened seemed that way to me. also, do we var encroachment in the box on pens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Encroachment is a massive pet hate of mine. This is one of my personal favourites. What makes it worse is that the pen is saved and a Wolves player who has encroached, clears it to safety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Problem with the Italy penalty yesterday is that he's already going down before there's accidental contact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey jake Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 If the striker cant put the ball in the net from a free strike from 12 yards then no sympathy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Problem with the Italy penalty yesterday is that he's already going down before there's accidental contact. Aye well he's been pushed or shouldered fairly by Tarkowski beforehand so was a bit off balance, then he gets stood on, then he dives theatrically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Talking of encroachment into the area for penalties, it's nearly a year since Ritchie's was wrongly ruled out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Talking of encroachment Uh oh. into the area Oh fucking hell, no. for penalties Phew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 One of the maddest things I've seen in a football match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Talking of encroachment into the area for penalties, it's nearly a year since Ritchie's was wrongly ruled out. Is it the same referee in Figures' Wolves photo who disallowed our penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Talking of encroachment into the area for penalties, it's nearly a year since Ritchie's was wrongly ruled out. Is it the same referee in Figures' Wolves photo who disallowed our penalty? Aye - Keith Stroud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 what if he's not running with the ball cos he's already punted it away Why talk about that when it's not what happened seemed that way to me. also, do we var encroachment in the box on pens? urrghh, yeah that's shit with people going in box early. That and the shoving that goes on with corners will always be rarely picked up on. Anyway, ball wasn't punted away when it happened. I mean, the ball was punted away, but that's the most supporting angle for your argument. There is a prior angle that shows the ball a couple of feet in-front of him and travelling at some pace. Not really an argument worth having tbh. As far as I'm concerned the ball wasn't playable at this point and it comes under the "coming together" remit. People get stood on all the time. It didn't stop him doing anything of note as he was never getting another touch on the ball. I would also argue, that VAR was supposed to be for clear/obvious/mega-blatant decisions. I find it hard to classify this under one of those categories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 On another note, i’d Love Jamie Vardy playing for Newcastle. Double figure a season Premier League striker and England international? Aye, wouldn't be bad, like. I just mean compared to players at a similar level. Not saying he’s better than Kane but i’d rather have Vardy than Kane for some reason. Well that's just mental. Oh, I get that, I just really love watching Vardy. Kane's better, but I don't enjoy watching him. He is great to watch like, that's a good shout. And his face doesn't look like he's had a lobotomy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Talking of encroachment Uh oh. into the area Oh fucking hell, no. for penalties Phew. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 On another note, i’d Love Jamie Vardy playing for Newcastle. Double figure a season Premier League striker and England international? Aye, wouldn't be bad, like. I just mean compared to players at a similar level. Not saying he’s better than Kane but i’d rather have Vardy than Kane for some reason. Well that's just mental. Oh, I get that, I just really love watching Vardy. Kane's better, but I don't enjoy watching him. He is great to watch like, that's a good shout. And his face doesn't look like he's had a lobotomy. Just a moderate amount of crystal meth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Kane has everything, got to be first choice. Dunno how you would fit them both in though as Vardy would definitely suit playing against teams who will press high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Most of the media reporting that Pickford, Butland and Hart (FFS!) are the three keepers with Mr The Rave On first choice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 They are 3 really average keepers like, wouldn’t be surprised if whoever turns out to be first choice makes a significant howler at some stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 How can he still be picking Hart, man? Can only be for his experience, if he gets on the pitch it's guaranteed goal leakage. He's completely and utterly finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 No issue at all with Pickford being number 1 as long as Southgate doesn't throw him under the bus first sign of a mistake. I'd just give him the shirt and let him have it until someone clearly better comes along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 No issue at all with Pickford being number 1 as long as Southgate doesn't throw him under the bus first sign of a mistake. I'd just give him the shirt and let him have it until someone clearly better comes along. Happy for anyone to be thrown under a bus personally. Tournament football. Kane can't hit a barn door like '16 when we face choonisia? bench the cunt. Pickford shits the bed, bring in the next useless cunt. Keep doing it until Steve Harper gets a callup if we have to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I would also argue, that VAR was supposed to be for clear/obvious/mega-blatant decisions. I find it hard to classify this under one of those categories. According to the Times, the FA are looking at leaving the decision to the VAR official, rather than the official alerting the referee to have another look. I can see the wisdom of that. Once the referee was shown Tarkowski's challenge, he really had no choice but to give a pen. It would have been very difficult, under public scrutiny, to use the sort of informal discretion that people are talking about here (ie had the attacker lost control of the ball, was the contact accidental) Similarly, the VAR official may have simply thought, in practice, that looks dodgy, the ref ought to have another look, rather than deciding that the mistake is 'clear and obvious', which is of course a subjective judgement anyway. If you want decisions to be tempered by what you might call common sense, taking into account the 'grey areas', then I think it helps if the judgement rests with one person. All of which, for me, makes it annoying that they've decided to use VAR at the World Cup before it's been properly tested out and refined by experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I would also argue, that VAR was supposed to be for clear/obvious/mega-blatant decisions. I find it hard to classify this under one of those categories. According to the Times, the FA are looking at leaving the decision to the VAR official, rather than the official alerting the referee to have another look. I can see the wisdom of that. Once the referee was shown Tarkowski's challenge, he really had no choice but to give a pen. It would have been very difficult, under public scrutiny, to use the sort of informal discretion that people are talking about here (ie had the attacker lost control of the ball, was the contact accidental) Similarly, the VAR official may have simply thought, in practice, that looks dodgy, the ref ought to have another look, rather than deciding that the mistake is 'clear and obvious', which is of course a subjective judgement anyway. If you want decisions to be tempered by what you might call common sense, taking into account the 'grey areas', then I think it helps if the judgement rests with one person. All of which, for me, makes it annoying that they've decided to use VAR at the World Cup before it's been properly tested out and refined by experience. That's what I originally thought it was - ref in another room watches the video, tells the ref his decision. And only for certain situations such as penalties, crossing the line etc. There's a way that VAR can work but it needs a lot of adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 What’s the point in the referee making any decisions then? The VAR referee will just tell him when he should have given something. May as well put a big electronic board up which shows adverts until a decision is needed and then the crowd all count down from 10 in unison whilst the decision is unveiled. Hopefully we’ll have people selling popcorn in the stands soon too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 We may aswell get rid of the ref full stop. The Italian players wanted a corner the other night, nobody appealed for a pen until "VAR wants the ref to have a look at something". It's just going to micromanage every decision and ruin the game. I for one, cannot wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 They've completely ruined the game like. I don't know why everyone isn't absolutely fuming. Baffled some are defending it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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