mrmojorisin75 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. it only really applies to 4 leagues anyway as most of the others will have more "better" players playing outside of their domestic leagues imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Too much focus on selecting players deemed versatile has ironically enough left the squad looking very unbalanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Too much focus on selecting players deemed versatile has ironically enough left the squad looking very unbalanced. i think that's a very concise way of putting it, it's what stands out there imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I actually like Delph and RLC, but we seriously lack a ball playing midfielder. I can already picture the underhit sideways passes as we're drawing 0-0 with Tunisia on the 82nd minute. Southgate: "Something to build on... not a loss... positives to take... regroup..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. I guarantee the Spain squad has more than 5 players from outside the top 6 teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? Yep, it's a silly argument really. It's not that silly as players like Rose and Welbeck have barely featured for their big clubs and afaik Delph has only played at LB for Man City this season. Welbeck has played 40 games this season and was pretty much starting every game until Aubameyang came. That's absolute nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I actually like Delph and RLC, but we seriously lack a ball playing midfielder. I can already picture the underhit sideways passes as we're drawing 0-0 with Tunisia on the 82nd minute. Southgate: "Something to build on... not a loss... positives to take... regroup..." Jones will just hit it long to Kane, it's fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? Yep, it's a silly argument really. It's not that silly as players like Rose and Welbeck have barely featured for their big clubs and afaik Delph has only played at LB for Man City this season. Welbeck has played 40 games this season and was pretty much starting every game until Aubameyang came. He has featured in 40 games, mainly as a sub for 10-15 minutes on the wing or behind the striker. He has started 4 games in 2018. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. I guarantee the Spain squad has more than 5 players from outside the top 6 teams. significantly more? the point is that it's being pointed to as some kind of massive anomaly when it really isn't and shouldn't be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? Yep, it's a silly argument really. It's not that silly as players like Rose and Welbeck have barely featured for their big clubs and afaik Delph has only played at LB for Man City this season. Welbeck has played 40 games this season and was pretty much starting every game until Aubameyang came. Welbeck has featured in 43 games and amassed 25 full games worth of minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? holy fuck that looks awful on paper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. I guarantee the Spain squad has more than 5 players from outside the top 6 teams. Yeah because they have players like Silva etc etc in other leagues which we don't, players picked from La Liga will be dominated by the teams i mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Looking forward to the inevitable failure, then the 'soul searching' and 'root and branch reform' that comes after it. Nothing changes - especially where the FA are concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? holy fuck that looks awful on paper Formatting leaves a lot to be desired, I must admit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. I guarantee the Spain squad has more than 5 players from outside the top 6 teams. significantly more? the point is that it's being pointed to as some kind of massive anomaly when it really isn't and shouldn't be Well I don't know how statistically significant like But it'll be more than 5 and they won't mainly be GKs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? Please tell me Cahill is there just for experience and not to play? He's been unbelievably poor ths season. Such a decline. Danny Rose hasn't been much better. Stick Delph in his place for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 18 of the 23 play for the top 6. without looking surely that would be the case for most major nations with a strong national league (germany, spain, italy etc.)? I doubt there is another nation that will pick 17 of it's players exclusively from the top 6 of it's own domestic league and have aspirations of going far in the competition. We are shit from top to bottom and hope the big teams can prop us up as we have nothing to offer from decent foreign teams and don't trust players outside the top 10. Embarrassing really. Not really, La Liga players will be dominated by Barca, Madrid and Atletico and considering unlike them we don't have many overseas players performing it's not at all surprising. It's a very short sighted view point just said as an excuse to be angry at the big teams. It's not like the league is full of amazing players outside the top 6 and even if those players were picked we still wouldn't be going very far. I guarantee the Spain squad has more than 5 players from outside the top 6 teams. Yeah because they have players like Silva etc etc in other leagues which we don't, players picked from La Liga will be dominated by the teams i mentioned. I just made that point ffs I said we have no talent at decent foreign teams, so we resort to selecting top 6 squad players as we don't trust in form bottom half players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? Coming home very early and probably not making it out the group... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? Can't see Cahill starting and it won't be 2 uptop IMO but aye roughly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? Can't see Cahill starting and it won't be 2 uptop IMO but aye roughly that. Cheers. I'm massively out of the loop with these cunts, was just trying to get my head around what the "plan" is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I know he did well in friendlies there but I'm not a fan of our best right back playing as a third centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 What are we looking at here then? Pickford Walker Stones Cahill Henderson Trippier Alli Lingard Rose Sterling Kane Butland, Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Jones, Young, Dier, Loftus-Cheek, Delph, Welbeck, Rashford, Vardy ? How is this a "young squad" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Phil Jones?! Phil Fucking Jones?! Someone's been sniffing marker pens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Phil Jones?! Phil Fucking Jones?! Someone's been sniffing marker pens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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