St. Maximin Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Yorkie said: His choices in match contexts were constantly justified throughout both the World Cup and the Euros. Trippier at LB, pairing Rice and Phillips, Sterling, sticking with Kane when everyone wanted him out the team. It isn't just the mentality/team ethic/culture stuff, though that is obviously critical and probably doesn't receive enough praise despite receiving some. Agree on the mentality/team ethic/culture absolutely, but not sure I’d agree on the decisions. If we don’t know the alternatives then we can’t say for sure they were justified unless they always brought us the desired results. On both occasions we ultimately failed against decent teams after having fortunate draws and there’s reason to think Southgate was tactically naive in both of those matches. Also he persistently picks Mount and there’s no justification for that based on England form. Hungary were of course brilliant, but losing 0-4 at home to them is still absolutely pathetic and after this nations league it’s absolutely right he’s getting stick. Edited June 14, 2022 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, triggs said: Surely a quarter is par given your history Fair, which makes his position even more secure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Graeme Jones needs to be taken back into the fold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Last night it looked like a team managed by Steve Bruce. Pick 11 players then let them get on with it. No plan, no tactics, no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Southgate’s days were numbered when he appeared on that One Night with Adele shit on ITV. Anyone with music taste that bad shouldn’t be England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Southgate’s days were numbered when he appeared on that One Night with Adele shit on ITV. Anyone with music taste that bad shouldn’t be England manager. Thank fuck Eddie loves A-ha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: QF is par for England; history suggests that England are knocked out by the first really good side they play. And if the tournament is played outside England, this becomes a hard and fast rule. The second part didn’t change under Southgate - England had some fortune with the draws and home advantage at the Euros (not to be sniffed at - England haven’t beaten any major footballing nation in a knockout game played outside of England - and by major I mean Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain, Portugal). There is no reason to think Qatar will be any different. Can sub out Belgium for Italy atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Can sub out Belgium for Italy atm. Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Thank fuck Eddie loves A-ha. The Living Daylights knocks the spots off anything that the Tubby Tottenham songstress has done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Didn't watch last nights game but just assumed we lost 1 nil again. Just seen it was 4 nil. Stats wise looked like more to the story. I don't know how much of this is experimenting new players or in general tired post season so not pushing hard, but it's hardly inspiring. Are we still playing 4 or 5 defenders and two sitting DM's in front of them? Must be hard for what's left to not be heavily marked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Another fave player of mine from the ‘90s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Agreed. I mean moreso if England beat Belgium in the WC KO stages that would be the most significant win outside of England in a major tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: Wow. That’s depressing. All better than Southgate like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, HTT II said: Another fave player of mine from the ‘90s! Yeah, a superb midfielder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I always remember the Belgian keeper of that era: Jean-Marie Pfafffffffffffffffffff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenkoDaLuz Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) Not suggesting is slightly acceptable for ENG to take 0-4 at home, but it seems to me that the Hungarian NT has made solid progression throughout the years. We faced them in 2016 and could barely pull a 3-3. In last Euros we won 0-3 but it was a extremely unfair result to them. Now they are making very good games on the NL. I don't know, I kinda like to see Hungary rise again from their historical hashes after two lost WC finals. I went back some pages and see mostly laughing emojis so I assume most of you aren't losing a night of sleep because of this. Maybe it's time for Southgate to go? Edited June 15, 2022 by TenkoDaLuz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Why are England incapable of getting in a manager that can get the team using the ball better? The team is stacked full of players that are brilliant technically now. I think it's unacceptable that the team plays the way they do, even when they got to the final and semi final recently. In my opinion, looking at the opponents they had in those last two tournaments, and the level of talent they had in the team, I genuinely think Harry Redknapp would have won at least one of those tournaments with England. Say what you want about Redknapp, but his teams are always really good going forward, and he fills forward thinking players with tons of confidence, and gives them the freedom to do what they are best at, and Redknapp has also always been able to get results for the most part. His teams don't really tend to be rubbish defensively. Don't understand why Redknapp never got a crack at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, brummie said: I always remember the Belgian keeper of that era: Jean-Marie Pfafffffffffffffffffff. Funny, my mind went straight to Michel Preud’Homme who was Belgium’s keeper for most of the 80s and 90s. Brilliant keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Just now, Raconteur said: Funny, my mind went straight to Michel Preud’Homme who was Belgium’s keeper for most of the 80s and 90s. Brilliant keeper Of course the finest moment of world cup goal keeping in that era must surely be 'Rats beats Bats!'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Nucasol said: The Living Daylights knocks the spots off anything that the Tubby Tottenham songstress has done. Soft Rains of April for me (keep the faith Eddie! ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, KaKa said: Why are England incapable of getting in a manager that can get the team using the ball better? The team is stacked full of players that are brilliant technically now. I think it's unacceptable that the team plays the way they do, even when they got to the final and semi final recently. In my opinion, looking at the opponents they had in those last two tournaments, and the level of talent they had in the team, I genuinely think Harry Redknapp would have won at least one of those tournaments with England. Say what you want about Redknapp, but his teams are always really good going forward, and he fills forward thinking players with tons of confidence, and gives them the freedom to do what they are best at, and Redknapp has also always been able to get results for the most part. His teams don't really tend to be rubbish defensively. Don't understand why Redknapp never got a crack at it. Redknapp would probably go the same way as Allardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, KaKa said: Why are England incapable of getting in a manager that can get the team using the ball better? The team is stacked full of players that are brilliant technically now. I think it's unacceptable that the team plays the way they do, even when they got to the final and semi final recently. In my opinion, looking at the opponents they had in those last two tournaments, and the level of talent they had in the team, I genuinely think Harry Redknapp would have won at least one of those tournaments with England. Say what you want about Redknapp, but his teams are always really good going forward, and he fills forward thinking players with tons of confidence, and gives them the freedom to do what they are best at, and Redknapp has also always been able to get results for the most part. His teams don't really tend to be rubbish defensively. Don't understand why Redknapp never got a crack at it. Your post started so well then you mentioned ‘Arry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 As a random viewpoint as an outsider, it seems Southgate has always had to push back as to why he’s deserving of the job and he’s always been 1 loss away from backlash coming out or 1 win away from being the best. He’s done fantastic over the course of his time Imo but has been falling short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Soft Rains of April for me (keep the faith Eddie! ?) Good to see there are some fellow A-Ha believers on here. ‘I’ve Been Losing You’ for me like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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