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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp.

 

Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

Appreciated.

 

I get what you are saying but similar to your "acceptable shirt pulling", fouls in the box are also different to those outside. As he was never reaching that ball whether he was stepped on or not, So your point about late fouls doesn't work.

 

Likewise Triggs, you do realise this entire conversation proves VAR is wrong :lol: The fact it was so clear and obvious people are debating it surely makes the decision null and void? It never needed to go to VAR in the first place.

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp.

 

Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp.

 

Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said

 

It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time.

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

Appreciated.

 

I get what you are saying but similar to your "acceptable shirt pulling", fouls in the box are also different to those outside. As he was never reaching that ball whether he was stepped on or not, So your point about late fouls doesn't work.

 

Likewise Triggs, you do realise this entire conversation proves VAR is wrong :lol: The fact it was so clear and obvious people are debating it surely makes the decision null and void? It never needed to go to VAR in the first place.

Aye but I'll never accept that that incident isn't a clear penalty :lol: I don't even really like VAR :lol:

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp.

 

Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said

 

It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time.

Doesn't really matter though, penalties are given for clumsy stuff like people accidentally standing on another player's foot all the time. Anyway I won't be back on for a few hours so I'll leave it at that

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The ref still gets to make most of the calls and if he gets a major decision right the game should in theory just continue. It should be seen as a plus for VAR that it was able to give a penalty which was a penalty even if the players hadn't spotted it, not seen as a negative

 

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then?

Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not

 

Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen".

 

Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not.

I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should

It shouldn't have been a penalty because the referee and the linesman either didn't see it or didn't think it was a penalty, whether they were right or wrong. Football has always been the rule of the ref, not some cunts sitting in a room watching a load of teles.

 

Whether they get the decisions correct or not I just don't want VAR to have a major part in the game.

 

EDIT: That's without even touching on how much of a cluster fuck the entire thing is too.

 

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He literally isn't already going to ground already :lol: He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

 

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then?

I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

 

There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp.

 

Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision.

A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said

 

It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time.

Doesn't really matter though, penalties are given for clumsy stuff like people accidentally standing on another player's foot all the time. Anyway I won't be back on for a few hours so I'll leave it at that

 

Correct - but those penalties are given because the player who is fouled has the ball at the time and it impedes them from continuing to play with it, or they are making a run whilst the ball is with their team etc.

 

This incident was totally different to that because he or any of Italy’s team didn’t have the ball (or any chance of getting it).

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Triggs, there was a point when Kenedy got a slight clip in the box today. Going by your view and VAR it was a pen. Yet the ref and commentator said "it wasn't enough".

Don't remember it so not much I can really say :lol:

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Triggs, there was a point when Kenedy got a slight clip in the box today. Going by your view and VAR it was a pen. Yet the ref and commentator said "it wasn't enough".

Don't remember it so not much I can really say :lol:

 

That's my point, but with VAR everybody would remember it.

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England will host Switzerland and the United States in two autumn internationals to complement their Nations League fixtures.

 

Gareth Southgate's team will face the Swiss on 11 September at a venue to be decided, with the game against the US taking place on 15 November at Wembley.

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England will host Switzerland and the United States in two autumn internationals to complement their Nations League fixtures.

 

Gareth Southgate's team will face the Swiss on 11 September at a venue to be decided, with the game against the US taking place on 15 November at Wembley.

 

Wonder if that means it's gonna be somewhere around the UK or at a neutral venue abroad.

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England will host Switzerland and the United States in two autumn internationals to complement their Nations League fixtures.

 

Gareth Southgate's team will face the Swiss on 11 September at a venue to be decided, with the game against the US taking place on 15 November at Wembley.

 

Wonder if that means it's gonna be somewhere around the UK or at a neutral venue abroad.

 

World Trade Centre potentially. Top respect.

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talking about who should play in defence for England coming up on SSN, bet lascelles won't even get a mention

 

Just looked at their squad selector thingymajig, he isn't even an option. Dunk, Mee, Mawson, and Keane are on there though.

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/11327183/choose-your-england-world-cup-squad-for-russia-2018

 

Those are your options? Holy fuck England has a worse pool of players to choose from than I thought :kasper:

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