Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Harry Maguire (Leicester), Phil Jones (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea) Shudder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Taking what is essentially 6 full-backs is absolutely ludicrous. Delph and Young playing elsewhere makes no sense since they're in the squad based on their form as left backs, and neither were anywhere near the last two tournaments for their play in other positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Watched Henderson in the game vs Chelsea a few weeks back and he was shocking. I thought he at least had good technique but he miscontrolled the ball about 4 times in the last 10 minutes. Also very slow when turning on the ball. The guy just isn't quick enough. As far as Dier goes, he's a mystery. I rarely notice him when he plays unless he pops up with a goal or something. Saw an interview with Kyle Walker and Tubes and Walker said that us winning would be the equivilant of Leicester winning the Prem. Does not feel me with any confidence whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Would have been tempted to take some ludicrous number 10 option who can do something magic, if needed, for purely the games against Los Caneleros and the Eagles of Carthage where they’ll be playing for time from the off. Fuck them off for the rest of the games when counter attacking will be prioritised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Harry Maguire (Leicester), Phil Jones (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea) I just can't stand Maguire - I must be the only person who thinks he's just s big useless lump lol Cahill has been a very good player - sadly his best days are long gone Stones and Jones are error ridden Shudder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Harry Maguire (Leicester), Phil Jones (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Gary Cahill (Chelsea) I just can't stand Maguire - I must be the only person who thinks he's just s big useless lump lol Cahill has been a very good player - sadly his best days are long gone Stones and Jones are error ridden Shudder You're not alone, I don't get the love fest either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Taking what is essentially 6 full-backs is absolutely ludicrous. Delph and Young playing elsewhere makes no sense since they're in the squad based on their form as left backs, and neither were anywhere near the last two tournaments for their play in other positions. Ten defenders and four midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It looks like he's going to play 3 at the back, and he wants them to be reasonably comfortable in possession, which has ruled out Smalling. If Lallana is fit enough, I'd have picked him. Somehow he makes the whole attack more fluent. It's disappointing that Wilshere's not there, but I recognise that fitness wise he's very vulnerable. Not bothered about Lascelles and Shelvey not going. Neither have made a strong enough case, and we'll benefit from them having a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Young and Delph both in there as midfielders despite them playing as left backs as well. The squad's not as terrible as it could have been, but yet again, as always, there are players in there because of the clubs they play for and/or them having already played for England, despite them being: shit, recently injured, hardly playing, out of form. Yes, of course we're biased, but Shelvey and Lascelles (and Wilshire imo) not being in and the likes of Cahill, Maguire, Jones, Delph, Young, and Welbeck just swanning into the squad having done nothing to merit it is a sickener like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Delph and Young are there on merit but shouldn't be taking up spots as midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It's 100% Henderson and Dier like. Loftus-Cheek will be backup for Alli I would assume, I really like him but it'd be canny mental if Southate considers him a better fit than Shelvey in CM. The only player I can see fitting into a Southgate central midfield from the bench/reserve is Delph. A fairly average midfielder who's been playing as a left back in a team that despises defending for the past year. Ah man. If he plays fucking Henderson and Dier, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Taking what is essentially 6 full-backs is absolutely ludicrous. Delph and Young playing elsewhere makes no sense since they're in the squad based on their form as left backs, and neither were anywhere near the last two tournaments for their play in other positions. Ten defenders and four midfielders. And 1 proper winger in Sterling. I guess he's playing 3-5-2/3-4-3 or whatever shit, but you're setting yourself up for a fall if it doesn't work. Surely considering the very different sides we're going to be playing then some variety would have been useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It's the England equivalent of Colback & Anita like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It's the England equivalent of Colback & Anita like. 100 per cent this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Delph and Young are there on merit but shouldn't be taking up spots as midfielders. Exactly. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with their selection if they were going as left-backs. However with Rose there, it seems they're in because they're 'versatile' players. The problem is Young hasn't been a decent winger for about 5 years and Delph hasn't had a run at CM since he was at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I honestly reckon Southgate thought he was cheating the 23 player system by bringing 'utility' players like - in his mind I think he believes he's brought the equivalent of a 40 man squad or something. He's literally brought 2 players who consistently played in the centre last season - it's absolute madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It's 100% Henderson and Dier like. Loftus-Cheek will be backup for Alli I would assume, I really like him but it'd be canny mental if Southate considers him a better fit than Shelvey in CM. The only player I can see fitting into a Southgate central midfield from the bench/reserve is Delph. A fairly average midfielder who's been playing as a left back in a team that despises defending for the past year. Ah man. If he plays fucking Henderson and Dier, man. He plays them in every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Delph and Young are there on merit but shouldn't be taking up spots as midfielders. Delph has played the vast majority of his career in centre midfield. He's played there for England and done okay. I think Young is there as a wing-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Delph and Young are there on merit but shouldn't be taking up spots as midfielders. Exactly. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with their selection if they were going as left-backs. However with Rose there, it seems they're in because they're 'versatile' players. The problem is Young hasn't been a decent winger for about 5 years and Delph hasn't had a run at CM since he was at Villa. Simply cannot understand the lack of attacking width, once again, after it was clear that was a major problem in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I genuinely don't think it makes a difference really, there's just not a lot of talent in England right now. You could make an argument for certain people but it's not like they make a massive difference to the end result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Delph and Young are there on merit but shouldn't be taking up spots as midfielders. Delph has played the vast majority of his career in centre midfield. He's played there for England and done okay. I think Young is there as a wing-back. He hasn't played a full season at central midfield since he was at Villa 3 years ago, and was never an England stalwart at that point. How does his form at left back justify selection in a completely different position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 He'll have brought Phil Jones as he played in midfield ages ago for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 He'll have brought Phil Jones as he played in midfield ages ago for example. And can do a job at right back. 7 full backs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It's 100% Henderson and Dier like. Loftus-Cheek will be backup for Alli I would assume, I really like him but it'd be canny mental if Southate considers him a better fit than Shelvey in CM. The only player I can see fitting into a Southgate central midfield from the bench/reserve is Delph. A fairly average midfielder who's been playing as a left back in a team that despises defending for the past year. Ah man. If he plays fucking Henderson and Dier, man. He plays them in every game. In the last round of friendlies I'm sure it was one of them with another more creative player. I have no problem with that, but playing them together is just the height of tactical and visual ineptitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 If he wanted a player who could reliably cover at full back and in midfield, he should have been on bended knee to James Milner imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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