Bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My serious worry is we're an interference/fuck up from being rotten again. To be honest Rafa has changed so much but if he goes, i think the rotten core is still beating away. And always will until the fat arsehole dies/sells. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My serious worry is we're an interference/fuck up from being rotten again. To be honest Rafa has changed so much but if he goes, i think the rotten core is still beating away. And always will until the fat arsehole dies/sells. Of course, everything depends on Rafa basically. If he stays a few years and his happy, it's possible the club could really have decided on a different course. Otherwise we're back to square one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My serious worry is we're an interference/fuck up from being rotten again. To be honest Rafa has changed so much but if he goes, i think the rotten core is still beating away. And always will until the fat arsehole dies/sells. Of course, everything depends on Rafa basically. If he stays a few years and his happy, it's possible the club could really have decided on a different course. Otherwise we're back to square one. I think we're at the enjoy it while it lasts stage, i dread Rafa being messed around and walking away because as you just put it very well 'we'll be back to square one'. That's the thing of being a Newcastle fan for me (especially under Ashley), you're scared to enjoy it because you just fear the next move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My serious worry is we're an interference/f*** up from being rotten again. To be honest Rafa has changed so much but if he goes, i think the rotten core is still beating away. And always will until the fat arsehole dies/sells. Of course, everything depends on Rafa basically. If he stays a few years and his happy, it's possible the club could really have decided on a different course. Otherwise we're back to square one. I think we're at the enjoy it while it lasts stage, i dread Rafa being messed around and walking away because as you just put it very well 'we'll be back to square one'. That's the thing of being a Newcastle fan for me (especially under Ashley), you're scared to enjoy it because you just fear the next move. It will always be the same until he sells...and that is a few years away unless he gives Rafa a decent budget and we win something because he said he would sell after that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My serious worry is we're an interference/f*** up from being rotten again. To be honest Rafa has changed so much but if he goes, i think the rotten core is still beating away. And always will until the fat arsehole dies/sells. Of course, everything depends on Rafa basically. If he stays a few years and his happy, it's possible the club could really have decided on a different course. Otherwise we're back to square one. I think we're at the enjoy it while it lasts stage, i dread Rafa being messed around and walking away because as you just put it very well 'we'll be back to square one'. That's the thing of being a Newcastle fan for me (especially under Ashley), you're scared to enjoy it because you just fear the next move. It will always be the same until he sells...and that is a few years away unless he gives Rafa a decent budget and we win something because he said he would sell after that.... I'm hoping he does buy Rangers, just imo as i think that'll see him sell up far faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Yes Mike Ashley is the entire reason apathy and mediocrity was rife in the club. He is also the reason it is likely to return. Doesn't absolve Gini at all for me. Heart of a pea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I've watched a few Liverpool games lately and he's been absolute quality. It's annoying to be honest because he was obviously a top class player but it was just pure desire and a lack of care for our cause - even under Benitez - that was the problem with him. I don't have the same dislike for him as I do Sissoko which I guess is strange given it was the same problem with him. I'm not sure that he would have been a Benitez player, and there still has to be some doubts as to whether he'sprepared to put in his foot like you have to in English football, but there was never much doubt about his quality on the ball. He was one of our most valuable assets last season and Liverpool will be happy enough with what they have had in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Was watching Liverpool a few weeks back and he scored in that game, I'll admit all else aside I'll never tire of watching him time his runs from deep to get on the end of something and score. It's glorious to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Getting a bit stick tonight off Liverpool fans tonight, his stats today showed that the Liverpool keeper made more passes than him against Leicester and he was playing central midfield play-maker, he;s getting called "The Ghost" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 No bottle for tough away battles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjack Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Yeah, Liverpool midfield and defence is terrible and Wijnaldum is just a highlight of how bad they are... He's a good player, but his team mates are selfish, that's why he's "the ghost". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Liverpool's midfield is terrible? Utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Liverpool's midfield is terrible? Utter nonsense. It's quite good going forward but found wanting in defensive transition and often leave the back 4 exposed. They really needed Keita this season far more than they needed to blow their load on Oxlade-Chamberlain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Liverpool's midfield is terrible? Utter nonsense. It's quite good going forward but found wanting in defensive transition and often leave the back 4 exposed. They really needed Keita this season far more than they needed to blow their load on Oxlade-Chamberlain. I disagree like, I think their midfield has a very good balance to it, but that the back four and 'keeper are all pretty bad, particularly Lovren, Moreno and whichever 'keeper they play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Liverpool's midfield is terrible? Utter nonsense. It's quite good going forward but found wanting in defensive transition and often leave the back 4 exposed. They really needed Keita this season far more than they needed to blow their load on Oxlade-Chamberlain. I disagree like, I think their midfield has a very good balance to it, but that the back four and 'keeper are all pretty bad, particularly Lovren, Moreno and whichever 'keeper they play. Their own fans don't seem to rate their captain (neither do I), and see him as the weak link. The defence and keeper situation is mind-boggling. Apart from Matip and Clyne, they're all average players at best and seem to have no cohesion playing together which is a far bigger problem for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Merino > Liverpool's entire midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They don't have any real playmakers, or players who can break you down. Just look at what they can do, Henderson and Can are basically just better versions of Hayden and if Wijnaldum isn't ghosting into the box to score he's not doing much. Plus that's ignoring how meh it is defensively as already pointed out. It sounds nice on paper as they all decent players individually, but in reality it doesn't really do that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Liverpool's midfield is terrible? Utter nonsense. It's quite good going forward but found wanting in defensive transition and often leave the back 4 exposed. They really needed Keita this season far more than they needed to blow their load on Oxlade-Chamberlain. I disagree like, I think their midfield has a very good balance to it, but that the back four and 'keeper are all pretty bad, particularly Lovren, Moreno and whichever 'keeper they play. Their own fans don't seem to rate their captain (neither do I), and see him as the weak link. The defence and keeper situation is mind-boggling. Apart from Matip and Clyne, they're all average players at best and seem to have no cohesion playing together which is a far bigger problem for them. Where are you getting that from? A quick look over on RAWK shows that that's not the case at all and he's a bit of a marmite player. Agree with the rest, but this idea that their midfield is bad is a load of nonsense imo. Coutinho (who'll probably move back to there once Mane's back), Henderson, Wijnaldum, Can, Lallana, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlane is a good mix and will wipe the floor with most teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Just not Newcastle. Cause Newcastle have Merino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Heard you the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They don't have any real playmakers, or players who can break you down. Just look at what they can do, Henderson and Can are basically just better versions of Hayden and if Wijnaldum isn't ghosting into the box to score he's not doing much. Plus that's ignoring how meh it is defensively as already pointed out. It sounds nice on paper as they all decent players individually, but in reality it doesn't really do that much. This. I keep banging on about it but if I supported them I would be furious with the ludicrous way they handled 2 key decisions during the transfer window: 1- Choosing not to bring Keita in immediately and instead wasting money on OxC, and 2- Failing to move on from Van Dijk in time to bring someone competent if only to beef up a squad playing in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They have Coutinho ye nah? He usually starts in midfield rather than as part of the front three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They have Coutinho ye nah? He usually starts in midfield rather than as part of the front three. Yeah that's fair enough, but he hasn't most of the season. When he does then that solves some of the problems i have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 They have Coutinho ye nah? He usually starts in midfield rather than as part of the front three. Who do you reckon will make way for him from the current 3 when Mane's back? Wijnaldum? Can? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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