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If Rafa doesn't rate him he should sell him as he's no help to us. If he can't help us, how can he help another team?

 

If Rafa rates him but has his knickers in a twist about something he's done then he should get over it. We need all the help we can get.

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Mitro doesnt help himself mind. In the cup when we got beat 3-2 off Forrest when he scored he turned to the bench with a shush and I am not sure if that was his last game/start. You will see his actions on the highlights video.

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So Rafa doesn't want to sell mitrovic because he'll improve another team which probably has much better forwards than we have. But he doesn't need him to help save a sinking ship here because he doesn't think he's good enough. When our options are a joke. So he won't sell him to buy unless its abroad as half the league are a few losses off a relegation spot and a  safe club  don't need him.

 

The logic escapes me.

 

More likely he realises that we aren't going to be getting a new striker through the door, so he's talking up Mitro so he can use him for the rest of the season.

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So Rafa doesn't want to sell mitrovic because he'll improve another team which probably has much better forwards than we have. But he doesn't need him to help save a sinking ship here because he doesn't think he's good enough. When our options are a joke. So he won't sell him to buy unless its abroad as half the league are a few losses off a relegation spot and a  safe club  don't need him.

 

The logic escapes me.

 

Yup.

 

Not a clue what Mitro has done, but he’s very clearly done something to irk Rafa.

Good/bad is a bit of a basic way to look at it. I think it's much more likely that Rafa thinks he's unsuitable for us, but could be suitable to Brighton because of the way they play. Mitrovic simply isn't good enough for us to change the way we play to suit someone who's let us down time and time again with sending offs and suspensions - which is obviously the thing that's irked Rafa.

 

I see this argument all the time - which would make sense if we didn’t persist on playing Joselu.If Mitro doesn’t fit our system, then Joselu certainly doesn’t either.

 

I’m sure someone will point to Mitro’s disciplinary record now - so I’ll answer that anyway... when was he last sent off in a game? It’s a complete myth that we’ll go down to 10 men with him in the side because he’s not been sent off in recent times.

 

If anything, Mitro would suit our system more with a bit of physicality in his game allowing players like Murphy the chance to get close to him. Whereas Joselu either loses it or taps it to nobody.

 

 

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Mitro doesnt help himself mind. In the cup when we got beat 3-2 off Forrest when he scored he turned to the bench with a shush and I am not sure if that was his last game/start. You will see his actions on the highlights video.

 

That was daft but don't think Rafa's that petty. If he's not playing him it's for other reasons like not training properly or failing to follow instructions.

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I have no problem if Mitrovic is not training or being disruptive or anything that means he won't help us on the field. If there is a legitimate reason for not picking him I wish Rafa would come out and tell us. The situation can't be any worse than it is.

 

Then I'll accept the only options are joselu and gayle and you can stick a fork in us.

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If Rafa doesn't rate him he should sell him as he's no help to us. If he can't help us, how can he help another team?

 

If Rafa rates him but has his knickers in a twist about something he's done then he should get over it. We need all the help we can get.

Because in another team he might be effective. To use a cliche "there is no I in Team" so why would Rafa play him in his team if he is showing that he is more bothered about getting his own way. Other clubs or sides might adjust their play to suit him but we're not gonna do that. Therefore, it is totally logical not to sell to a fellow relegation candidate.
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So Rafa doesn't want to sell mitrovic because he'll improve another team which probably has much better forwards than we have. But he doesn't need him to help save a sinking ship here because he doesn't think he's good enough. When our options are a joke. So he won't sell him to buy unless its abroad as half the league are a few losses off a relegation spot and a  safe club  don't need him.

 

The logic escapes me.

 

Yup.

 

Not a clue what Mitro has done, but he’s very clearly done something to irk Rafa.

Good/bad is a bit of a basic way to look at it. I think it's much more likely that Rafa thinks he's unsuitable for us, but could be suitable to Brighton because of the way they play. Mitrovic simply isn't good enough for us to change the way we play to suit someone who's let us down time and time again with sending offs and suspensions - which is obviously the thing that's irked Rafa.

 

I see this argument all the time - which would make sense if we didn’t persist on playing Joselu.If Mitro doesn’t fit our system, then Joselu certainly doesn’t either.

 

I’m sure someone will point to Mitro’s disciplinary record now - so I’ll answer that anyway... when was he last sent off in a game? It’s a complete myth that we’ll go down to 10 men with him in the side because he’s not been sent off in recent times.

 

If anything, Mitro would suit our system more with a bit of physicality in his game allowing players like Murphy the chance to get close to him. Whereas Joselu either loses it or taps it to nobody.

 

Because Joselu doesn't get himself sent off and suspended and does as he's told. Whether you agree with Rafa on that is your choice, but I do. If he was good enough/suitable enough for us to put up with it, I'd agree, but he just isn't. The discipline argument is a completely valid argument, like. Not getting sent off during the odd 10 minute cameo isn't anything to hang your hat on and his disciplinary record remains a joke. Whatever argument for him playing is negated by that for me.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aleksandar-mitrovic/ausfaelle/spieler/51152

 

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Can't agree with Rafa here mind. He needs money to sign better players than we've got so selling one he never plays for anything approaching a decent fee seems like something he should be doing. Shelvey argument is different as he's actually playing

 

Firstly, we haven't been offered anything approaching a decent fee for Mitro, secondly, I'm pretty sure he'd have no problem selling if he thought we were definitely going to get a replacement HE asked for. Not some 4th option on the list for £6m.

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Mitro has done other things to annoy Rafa - for instance he has his own fitness coach and has bulked up over the last year which means he has lost stamina and pace. Done that off his own back. He is the very definition of dopey.

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Wasn't really arsed either way at the prospect of selling Mitro to Brighton (or Shelvey to West Ham), on the pretence that it was on Rafa's say-so and, obviously, on the condition that the funds would be reimbursed. But if Rafa says it ain't gonna happen, it ain't gonna happen and I'm well on-board with that. Basically, Rafa knows.

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Can't agree with Rafa here mind. He needs money to sign better players than we've got so selling one he never plays for anything approaching a decent fee seems like something he should be doing. Shelvey argument is different as he's actually playing

 

Look at Ibrahimovic at Barca. Imagine you're the manager and you're not playing him because he's not the right fit, that doesn't mean he's a bad player and it doesn't mean you would sell him to Real Madrid where he's potentially much more of a fit ahead of a title race. Selling to rivals in  January is just stupid, no matter who the player is.

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I'd agree if out style of play was effective. But come on. Really you are making that argument that he doesn't fit our style of play? What style is that?

To be a strong defensive unit that is hard to break down and capable of knicking the odd goal through the use of pace on the wings and maximising success through set plays. That's where we're at as a club. Mitrovic contributes to being able to knick a goal and that's it out of the 3 and even then it has been debatable. As I said, I think he deserves more of an opportunity but we clearly do have a style of play and to say it isn't "effective" is a little bit hard to understand for me, given that we have a reasonable goal difference comparing to some other clubs in the bottom 11 and most still have the likes of Man City to play again. It may not be attacking or attractive but it most certainly is effective, given the ability of our squad compared to the likes of Crystal Palace and Everton for example.
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Can't agree with Rafa here mind. He needs money to sign better players than we've got so selling one he never plays for anything approaching a decent fee seems like something he should be doing. Shelvey argument is different as he's actually playing

I see your point but unfortunately it's completely contradicted by Ashleys NUFC. Sales don't necessarily mean purchases.
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I'd agree if out style of play was effective. But come on. Really you are making that argument that he doesn't fit our style of play? What style is that?

Is it more or less effective with a player who's not available for selection? Our style of play basically needs a Joselu and/or Gayle that can score more reliably at this level. Like I said, I'd be banging the drum for Mitrovic as well if his discipline was alright, but it's not, and the way that's ignored or dismissed by some as not that bad, or not his fault is infuriating. He's not good enough for it to it to not be a major factor in any decision to play him.
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So Rafa doesn't want to sell mitrovic because he'll improve another team which probably has much better forwards than we have. But he doesn't need him to help save a sinking ship here because he doesn't think he's good enough. When our options are a joke. So he won't sell him to buy unless its abroad as half the league are a few losses off a relegation spot and a  safe club  don't need him.

 

The logic escapes me.

 

Yup.

 

Not a clue what Mitro has done, but he’s very clearly done something to irk Rafa.

Good/bad is a bit of a basic way to look at it. I think it's much more likely that Rafa thinks he's unsuitable for us, but could be suitable to Brighton because of the way they play. Mitrovic simply isn't good enough for us to change the way we play to suit someone who's let us down time and time again with sending offs and suspensions - which is obviously the thing that's irked Rafa.

 

I see this argument all the time - which would make sense if we didn’t persist on playing Joselu.If Mitro doesn’t fit our system, then Joselu certainly doesn’t either.

 

I’m sure someone will point to Mitro’s disciplinary record now - so I’ll answer that anyway... when was he last sent off in a game? It’s a complete myth that we’ll go down to 10 men with him in the side because he’s not been sent off in recent times.

 

If anything, Mitro would suit our system more with a bit of physicality in his game allowing players like Murphy the chance to get close to him. Whereas Joselu either loses it or taps it to nobody.

 

Because Joselu doesn't get himself sent off and suspended and does as he's told. Whether you agree with Rafa on that is your choice, but I do. If he was good enough/suitable enough for us to put up with it, I'd agree, but he just isn't. The discipline argument is a completely valid argument, like. Not getting sent off during the odd 10 minute cameo isn't anything to hang your hat on and his disciplinary record remains a joke. Whatever argument for him playing is negated by that for me.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aleksandar-mitrovic/ausfaelle/spieler/51152

 

He’s played over 1,400 minutes in 35 appearances since his last red card, so that argument is a load of nonsense.

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