Aleksandar Mitrović

[jackyboy]

I think when he was here he made a comment along the lines of 'I don't want to use my energy up running around defending, I want to use it for attacking'

[Shearergol]

13 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

 

 

Neither really good enough but Mitro the better of the two.

In comparison, Schär has 7 in 66

[Shush]

2 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I'd rather have the guy who scores 1 in 233 than the guy who scores 1 in 289 like. Also rather have the guy who does what his manager tells him to.

 

Aye, which is why I thought per minutes was a better stat and it's actually shown Gayle has delivered more than looking at it from purely appearances to goals. They both aren't good enough overall though. We need better.

[midds]

1 hour ago, jackyboy said:

I think when he was here he made a comment along the lines of 'I don't want to use my energy up running around defending, I want to use it for attacking'...

...people

[Happinesstan]

 

3 hours ago, GWN said:

The bloke can finish when given space , found out in the PL but I agree 100 times better than Jow

Yeah, he'd probably do alright with ASM drawing two or three defenders.

[Happinesstan]

 

9 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Aye, which is why I thought per minutes was a better stat and it's actually shown Gayle has delivered more than looking at it from purely appearances to goals. They both aren't good enough overall though. We need better.

Not really. It just backs up the well known fact that Gayle has more sub appearances. Before our season in the championship I don't think he'd ever been the leading man. Mitro has been the leading man all his career. 

[Shush]

1 hour ago, Happinesstan said:

 

Not really. It just backs up the well known fact that Gayle has more sub appearances. Before our season in the championship I don't think he'd ever been the leading man. Mitro has been the leading man all his career. 

 

Not quite sure what your argument is, but both are not good enough for us is the overall decision. It was just noted that one scored more in less appearances, but actually it's the reverse when you consider time actually on the pitch to goal ratio. Both are not good enough whichever way you look at it. 

[Happinesstan]

3 minutes ago, hakka said:

 

Not quite sure what your argument is, but both are not good enough for us is the overall decision. It was just noted that one scored more in less appearances, but actually it's the reverse when you consider time actually on the pitch to goal ratio. Both are not good enough whichever way you look at it. 

I just remember liking Gayle after seeing him come on as a sub to score goals. It made him look like a natural PL striker in development. Looking back though, I remember a couple being the final goal in a comfortable victory, so a lot less pressure coming off the bench. With the opposition tired and chasing the game.

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by Happinesstan

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3 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

I just remember liking Gayle after seeing him come on as a sub to score goals. It made him look like a natural PL striker in development. Looking back though, I remember a couple being the final goal in a comfortable victory, so a lot less pressure coming off the bench. With the opposition tired and chasing the game.

 

 

 

 

OK I get what you're saying which is the nuanced difference to how they've been utilised. I think it would be fair to say if you gave Gayle more time he may have scored more and if you have Mitro more late sub appearances he would have scored less? Unless we're saying Gayle only does it off the bench when we are in top? - to be honest it's a hypothetical not worth thinking too deeply on. I don't want either here and don't value them as Premier League strikers for us.

 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by hakka
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[Happinesstan]

3 minutes ago, hakka said:

OK I get what you're saying which is the nuanced difference to how they've been utilised

More how they were developed. Gayle was afforded the time to develop into a PL forward and has failed. Mitrovic was leading the line for a PL team at 19 or something. I don't disagree with the conclusion that neither has developed into a PL forward. But Mitro still has a chance.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 hours ago, Happinesstan said:

More how they were developed. Gayle was afforded the time to develop into a PL forward and has failed. Mitrovic was leading the line for a PL team at 19 or something. I don't disagree with the conclusion that neither has developed into a PL forward. But Mitro still has a chance.

 

People will still be saying this when he's 30 

 

He's utter shite, man.

[Beth]

Will get his usual 6 or 7 in the PL if they're promoted again.

[Billy Pilgrim]

He’s too slow for the premier league imo. And never looked fit, so many times he was through and hit a daisy cutter with jelly legs. Better than big joe mind. 

[Serb]

I think a lot of people wanted (and still want) Mitrovic to succeed simply because of his character.

 

There's nothing better than having a great striker who is passionate, different and even a little nuts in an oldschool kind of way.

 

The thing is, he never delivered in the Premier League and that is a fact.

 

He found his level and that's all there is to it.

 

 

[Billy Pilgrim]

4 hours ago, Serb said:

I think a lot of people wanted (and still want) Mitrovic to succeed simply because of his character.

 

There's nothing better than having a great striker who is passionate, different and even a little nuts in an oldschool kind of way.

 

The thing is, he never delivered in the Premier League and that is a fact.

 

He found his level and that's all there is to it.

 

 

From what I’ve seen of Vlahovic he’s a similar sort of player. Problem with this sort of forward is you don’t know how they’re going to get on when all the defenders are massive with Ferrari engines until 5 games in. Some thrive, some can’t deal with it. Mitro was the latter. 

 

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim

[ED209]

I love him, such a likeable little scamp

[LionOfGosforth]

8 hours ago, Serb said:

I think a lot of people wanted (and still want) Mitrovic to succeed simply because of his character.

 

There's nothing better than having a great striker who is passionate, different and even a little nuts in an oldschool kind of way.

 

The thing is, he never delivered in the Premier League and that is a fact.

 

He found his level and that's all there is to it.

 

 

 

Gonna have to disagree with this a little bit. Depends on what is considered successful I suppose but in a brand new league and foreign country, he scored something like 12 or 13 in a shit, destined-for-relegation team at 20 years old. He's miles better than a couple of the current "strikers" we have, even if he was never really given the time to develop properly here. Nowadays, we're soon to be way beyond his level, but there's a bit of unfair revisionism going on in here with him IMO.

[Fantail Breeze]

Just now, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Gonna have to disagree with this a little bit. Depends on what is considered successful I suppose but in a brand new league and foreign country, he scored something like 12 or 13 in a shit, destined-for-relegation team at 20 years old. He's miles better than a couple of the current "strikers" we have, even if he was never really given the time to develop properly here. Nowadays, we're soon to be way beyond his level, but there's a bit of unfair revisionism going on in here with him IMO.

 

Always has been. Some people disliked him from day one for very little reason. Well, the reason was he was bought into a relegation side and expected to be prime Pele.

 

Same effect with Jones now. People affiliate him to Bruce (without actually knowing what goes on behind the scenes) and automatically view him in a negative light and disregard any success without giving him any sort of chance.

[Guest]

There’s a fair few countries who aren’t even Championship level tbf.
 

I still rate him. Think he needs a move abroad though. 

[relámpago blanco]

18 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Mitrovic scores a ton at international level so championship is not “his level” at all 

He won't score as many more now for Serbia as our future striker has taken his place.

[Menace]

David Healy scored a fuck ton for NI, he was wank.

[Fantail Breeze]

52 minutes ago, Menace said:

David Healy scored a fuck ton for NI, he was wank.

 

Mitro already way beyond Healy’s total with probably another 4 or 5 years to play.

[Guest HTT II]

He’s a certain type of striker that needs a certain level of service to perform/score goals. He’s not quick, isn’t full of running nor athletic, but he’s a decent focal point up front and will get goals without ever being prolific if he gets the right kind of service. 

 

He’d actually be a good foil for Wilson at NUFC ironically in this current team (especially under a Bruce), but he will never be anything other than a bang average footballer (but a decent enough CF) who will still get you goals, be it in the Championship, the PL or at international level.
 

He wasn’t suited to Rafa’s style, tactics or system whatsoever, now compare to Rondon who was and he himself is of a similar category type of CF, but he was mobile and athletic.

 

That’s the difference at this level. Very similar, both not outstanding footballers, both not truly clinical but could still score, but Rondon was mobile and athletic enough and therefore more suitable to a number of systems, styles of play and tactics under the right coach.
 

Like with Shelvey Rafa had Mitrovic sussed from the off, but did try and utilise him for a spell. He just found a better and more suitable way for the team that mean he wasn’t going to be included in that long-term.

 

I’m glad he’s doing well and he’s a player I’m happy to see doing well wherever he is at or whatever level. 

[Serb]

14 hours ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Gonna have to disagree with this a little bit. Depends on what is considered successful I suppose but in a brand new league and foreign country, he scored something like 12 or 13 in a shit, destined-for-relegation team at 20 years old. He's miles better than a couple of the current "strikers" we have, even if he was never really given the time to develop properly here. Nowadays, we're soon to be way beyond his level, but there's a bit of unfair revisionism going on in here with him IMO.

 

I'm completely with you on this one, maybe it was my poor choice of words.

 

What I meant is that he never delivered the expectation of developing into a top class striker which he seemed to have all the potential to become when he was 20. He was nevertheless our undoubtedly finest striker for years but was mostly unfairly benched or didn't fit into the system Rafa was (sometimes stubbornly) playing.

 

As for Vlahovic, he is a slightly different player but I believe the main difference between the two is that Vlahovic seems to be a lot stronger mentally. But if Mitro had reached his potential, it would be a no-brainer for me who would be my choice.

 

To me, Mitro's personality is special in a way that he seems to remind us all of a time when footballers were plain human beings, and not machines with zero percent fat and zero percent of charisma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LionOfGosforth]

2 hours ago, Serb said:

 

I'm completely with you on this one, maybe it was my poor choice of words.

 

What I meant is that he never delivered the expectation of developing into a top class striker which he seemed to have all the potential to become when he was 20. He was nevertheless our undoubtedly finest striker for years but was mostly unfairly benched or didn't fit into the system Rafa was (sometimes stubbornly) playing.

 

As for Vlahovic, he is a slightly different player but I believe the main difference between the two is that Vlahovic seems to be a lot stronger mentally. But if Mitro had reached his potential, it would be a no-brainer for me who would be my choice.

 

To me, Mitro's personality is special in a way that he seems to remind us all of a time when footballers were plain human beings, and not machines with zero percent fat and zero percent of charisma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1,000,000%, great post.