Newcastle 0-1 Andre Marriner - 29/8/15 - Post Match Reaction From Page 5

[Pata]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

It's a f***ing outrage if you ask me. Kids watch this programme and there's someone there basically saying such cuntish and disrespectful behaviour towards officials is the right thing to do. I know we're all moaning about Marriner today but in general the lack of respect towards officials in football (particularly at the top level) is a massive problem with the game. Including trying to con and influence them at every opportunity, instead of just accepting the decision.

 

Rooney's behavior a week ago was a disgrace, no idea how the refs just let it go without a word being said.

 

They don't, Gini was booked for it. The two words that he said to the ref... worthy of a yellow.

Not like Arsenal though, that's different.

 

Wasn't a clear post but meant that Rooney never gets punished when he does that. Such a great role model for the kids as the face of the English football.

[Stifler]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

It's a fucking outrage if you ask me. Kids watch this programme and there's someone there basically saying such cuntish and disrespectful behaviour towards officials is the right thing to do. I know we're all moaning about Marriner today but in general the lack of respect towards officials in football (particularly at the top level) is a massive problem with the game. Including trying to con and influence them at every opportunity, instead of just accepting the decision.

It's a problem they have created though Dave. We keep saying they deserve respect, no they don't. They have allowed players to start diving, they have allowed players to come at them shouting and screaming, they don't tell them to go away and they don't show them the card. What are we as fans supposed to do?, what are anyone supposed to do? Ok I get at the lower level of football where a referee or official has no support and limited amounts of safety it's a problem, but in professional football where every move is on a number of camera's, where there is plenty of security etc there is no need to fear or be intimidated by them. Not only that but they laugh and chuckle about the incident to the team they have given the dodgy decision too, where as the other team are left there looking baffled. They have the ability to watch every player before they referee them, they know Terry will shout in their face with a 90% chance of spit hitting them, they know Young will take a dive either just outside the box or in it, yet they give the decisions in favour of the same players and same clubs.

 

I've already said why they're not able to do it, the instructions come from above.

 

As ever, it's a knock-on problem from far too much money swilling around the sport.

It's up to them though isn't it?

People just won't want to become a referee in future, there is already a shortage. Non-league football will end up dying off because of the lack of referee's, the FA will have no one to blame but themselves. Then again would they even care? This is the organisation who sit back and watch the Premier League roll all the money in and spread it around the top clubs, meanwhile a chocolate company have dig into their own pockets so some non-league clubs can have a changing room.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

It's a f***ing outrage if you ask me. Kids watch this programme and there's someone there basically saying such cuntish and disrespectful behaviour towards officials is the right thing to do. I know we're all moaning about Marriner today but in general the lack of respect towards officials in football (particularly at the top level) is a massive problem with the game. Including trying to con and influence them at every opportunity, instead of just accepting the decision.

 

Rooney's behavior a week ago was a disgrace, no idea how the refs just let it go without a word being said.

 

They don't, Gini was booked for it. The two words that he said to the ref... worthy of a yellow.

Not like Arsenal though, that's different.

 

Wasn't a clear post but meant that Rooney never gets punished when he does that. Such a great role model for the kids as the face of the English football.

 

Without a doubt, some players consistently get away with murder whilst others don't.

If Costa had committed the same foul as Mitro - it'd have been a red.

If Gerrard had committed the same foul as Mitro - it'd have been a dive by Coquelin.

 

Same goes for getting in the refs face/lack of respect. Gerrard could punch a ref, whereas players like Costa would be taken to the back of the shed and shot.

[madras]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

Why not, they say to hit the deck if even looked at in the box ?

 

It's a horrible, horrible game at this level, only my partisanship keeps me involved.

[Big Geordie]

I hope when you use those smilies your aren't legitimately sad, BG. Keown's a cunt, Shearer - though obviously a hero - is as thick as pork mince and BT are all pricks too. Who cares?

 

It's just to be expected from modern football. It's a problem which will only continue to get worse, and what we will end up with is some WWE rubbish.

[Guest neesy111]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

It's a fucking outrage if you ask me. Kids watch this programme and there's someone there basically saying such cuntish and disrespectful behaviour towards officials is the right thing to do. I know we're all moaning about Marriner today but in general the lack of respect towards officials in football (particularly at the top level) is a massive problem with the game. Including trying to con and influence them at every opportunity, instead of just accepting the decision.

It's a problem they have created though Dave. We keep saying they deserve respect, no they don't. They have allowed players to start diving, they have allowed players to come at them shouting and screaming, they don't tell them to go away and they don't show them the card. What are we as fans supposed to do?, what are anyone supposed to do? Ok I get at the lower level of football where a referee or official has no support and limited amounts of safety it's a problem, but in professional football where every move is on a number of camera's, where there is plenty of security etc there is no need to fear or be intimidated by them. Not only that but they laugh and chuckle about the incident to the team they have given the dodgy decision too, where as the other team are left there looking baffled. They have the ability to watch every player before they referee them, they know Terry will shout in their face with a 90% chance of spit hitting them, they know Young will take a dive either just outside the box or in it, yet they give the decisions in favour of the same players and same clubs.

 

I've already said why they're not able to do it, the instructions come from above.

 

As ever, it's a knock-on problem from far too much money swilling around the sport.

It's up to them though isn't it?

People just won't want to become a referee in future, there is already a shortage. Non-league football will end up dying off because of the lack of referee's, the FA will have no one to blame but themselves. Then again would they even care? This is the organisation who sit back and watch the Premier League roll all the money in and spread it around the top clubs, meanwhile a chocolate company have dig into their own pockets so some non-league clubs can have a changing room.

FA don't run the leagues ffs.

[Dr Venkman]

The major problem referees have is that their entire profession is based on a lie. The FA quash any idea that the referee might get something wrong, hence, no review of a decision that the ref has 'seen'. The only possible justification for that is that referees don't make mistakes. Anyone not willing to accept that they make mistakes isn't worthy of respect.

[Mowen]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but Marriner was the guy sent off Gibbs instead of Oxlade-Chamberlain.

 

I'd imagine not, given it's utterly irrelevant to this.

[Stifler]

I cannot believe I've just seen an ex-pro actively encouraging players to surround referees and ask for cards to be given.

Astonishing.

 

It's a fucking outrage if you ask me. Kids watch this programme and there's someone there basically saying such cuntish and disrespectful behaviour towards officials is the right thing to do. I know we're all moaning about Marriner today but in general the lack of respect towards officials in football (particularly at the top level) is a massive problem with the game. Including trying to con and influence them at every opportunity, instead of just accepting the decision.

It's a problem they have created though Dave. We keep saying they deserve respect, no they don't. They have allowed players to start diving, they have allowed players to come at them shouting and screaming, they don't tell them to go away and they don't show them the card. What are we as fans supposed to do?, what are anyone supposed to do? Ok I get at the lower level of football where a referee or official has no support and limited amounts of safety it's a problem, but in professional football where every move is on a number of camera's, where there is plenty of security etc there is no need to fear or be intimidated by them. Not only that but they laugh and chuckle about the incident to the team they have given the dodgy decision too, where as the other team are left there looking baffled. They have the ability to watch every player before they referee them, they know Terry will shout in their face with a 90% chance of spit hitting them, they know Young will take a dive either just outside the box or in it, yet they give the decisions in favour of the same players and same clubs.

 

I've already said why they're not able to do it, the instructions come from above.

 

As ever, it's a knock-on problem from far too much money swilling around the sport.

It's up to them though isn't it?

People just won't want to become a referee in future, there is already a shortage. Non-league football will end up dying off because of the lack of referee's, the FA will have no one to blame but themselves. Then again would they even care? This is the organisation who sit back and watch the Premier League roll all the money in and spread it around the top clubs, meanwhile a chocolate company have dig into their own pockets so some non-league clubs can have a changing room.

FA don't run the leagues ffs.

The FA over see all football in England, they don't run the leagues but the league organisations are answerable to them. The FA also don't run the referee governing body, but they are again answerable to them.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The major problem referees have is that their entire profession is based on a lie. The FA quash any idea that the referee might get something wrong, hence, no review of a decision that the ref has 'seen'. The only possible justification for that is that referees don't make mistakes. Anyone not willing to accept that they make mistakes isn't worthy of respect.

 

Fans and managers should accept that as well though, shouldn't they?

[number9shirt]

Marriner was more than happy to get his cards out. bit shy when it came to arsenal though !?!?

[Stifler]

The major problem referees have is that their entire profession is based on a lie. The FA quash any idea that the referee might get something wrong, hence, no review of a decision that the ref has 'seen'. The only possible justification for that is that referees don't make mistakes. Anyone not willing to accept that they make mistakes isn't worthy of respect.

Whats worse is the fact that managers can't come out and say it. You can talk about a referee if you think he got the decision spot on, talk bad about him then you get a fine, do it again then you get a touchline ban.

In any other walk of life speaking the truth in such is not punishable.

[Dr Venkman]

The major problem referees have is that their entire profession is based on a lie. The FA quash any idea that the referee might get something wrong, hence, no review of a decision that the ref has 'seen'. The only possible justification for that is that referees don't make mistakes. Anyone not willing to accept that they make mistakes isn't worthy of respect.

 

Fans and managers should accept that as well though, shouldn't they?

 

Yes Ian, they should.

[Guest neesy111]

Refs need to stop trying to nevthe centre of attention to command respect.  2/3 in the premier league are guilty of this, undermines the rest of them.

[Guest Bert Shaft]

The thing is, if an opposition player did the challenge mitrovic did today then this place would be up in arms baying for blood.

 

It's a red card. Whether it would warrant it 10 years ago is irrelevant...today it is a red card, sadly.

 

Is it/was it fuck. Today's footballers like Coquelin are nowt but namby pamby shithouse cunts.  Yellow card for Mitrovic was warranted, red card not. No intent whatsoever...Arsenal deserved their win but were assisted by a bent corrupt ref after he missed a blatant penalty and felt the need to rectify his amateurish mistake.

Marriner should be demoted to non league football, the bent cunt...

[Kanj]

First time I smile at media bans

[samag]

Marriner was more than happy to get his cards out. bit shy when it came to arsenal though !?!?

 

The premier league is a very large global brand . with a small group of about six teams that must be protected to sell that brand. Arsenal  are one of those teams..

[Stottie]

My favourite outburst about refereeing came from Brenda when he said "We all know the big teams get the decisions. We're a big team, so why aren't we getting the decisions?!"

 

There is also

 

The ref told me that during a Premier League meeting of top referees, Scudamore had finished off by saying: “And, remember, you’re not in a sport, you are part of the entertainment business. We don’t want our top players being sent off every week because it’s bad for the brand. We want them on the pitch as much as possible.”

 

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/13015/referees-told-to-respect-premier-league-brand/

[Stottie]

I looked it up and Marinner only sent one player off in all of last season. Timing wise, I guess it must have been that case of mistaken identity for the poor ol' Arsenal. It was for a handball on the line as well, not dangerous play.

 

Anyway, I find it hard to believe that Mitro's challenge would be the worst thing a referee's would see in a season's worth of games.

[merlin]

Regardless of the decisions made by Marriner, this match shows us that we have a number of strengths and a number of problems.

The fact that the side kept Arsenal out until late in the game shows that in certain circumstances(i.e. when a team like Arsenal keep possession but use a slow build-up, we can keep them at bay because players like Colo, who was outstanding yesterday, are not having to turn and chase a speedy forward as would be the case if the opposition was playing on the break). Colo's experience enabled him to read most of what Arsenal were trying to do and the rest of the defence also kept discipline...Haidara gets crucified on here, yet he was second only to Colo in his defence effectiveness yesterday. If anything, he was safer than Janmaat on the other side.

Until Giroud came on, Arsenal were also without a tall forward .

We shall never know what would have happened had Mitrovic not been sent off and everyone has their own view about this player. It IS possible that refs have made their minds up that he needs to be watched and the foul was definitely borderline ; certainly a yellow and maybe a red although Coquelin, who dived and play-acted all game, was probably responsible for Marriner bringing the red out...together with his dodgy decision about missing the Thauvin tackle which should have been a pen.

It is hard to imagine we would have got anything yesterday if the Pen had been awarded and Mitrovic stayed on the field....they basically outplayed us in m/f and with their off-ball movement although for me, Wijnaldum was just behind Colo for MOM yesterday ; his best game in a B & W shirt in terms of overall commitment and he was instrumental in taking the pressure off several times by his ability to hold and run with the ball. What we lack in m/f is a player with vision but we aint going to get one of those in a hurry. Anita and Colback did a decent job of stemming the flow in front of the defence, but Anita spoiled this by often giving possession away after intercepting the ball. Thauvin did a manful job on his own when you consider this was his first PL full game but he was never going to do it all by himself - the whole team was given just too big a task once Mitrovic went and several others were on yellows but even the Arsenal goal had a hint of fortune about it, being slightly deflected by Colo's heel.

 

We may yet rue the fact that a PL-experienced forward has not been signed...Mitrovic out now for 3 matches and we face a tough few games yet with a trip to the Scouse-beating hammers next. There IS potential in the side but no back-up once injuries and suspensions take their toll...its also hard to see where goals are coming from at PL level and it is going to be late in the season before the side starts showing what it is capable of.

[merlin]

This is the most infuriating commentary in a long time.

Waddle was just as bad on our commentary in Oz....supported Marriner over almost every decision apart from his not awarding a pen for Thauvin's tackle..!

[merlin]

After reading a fair few comments from earlier in the thread, some people need to get their heads round the fact that NUFC are NOT a popular club anymore, especially in the south.

We upset a lot of comfortable journalists by challenging the London-NW axis back under SJH and KK - also, to a lesser extent under SBR, but they weren't as vocal about him because he had been England manager. Once the 'Entertainers' tag wore thin and we fluffed the title in 96, they began to see us as Paper Tigers who they could laugh at, esp once SJH and KK went and again after SBR was sacked.

TBF, they have had a point since then...we have had a succession of dire managers, a board which was nepotistic to say the least and then a new owner who has done his best to make money from the club by turning it into a laughing stock with mindless decisions...because he too is a Southerner, we are resented by people down there because we rejected him and his southern oppos like Wise, the two Spanish sounding guys , Llambias and managers like Pardew and the Womble King.

The media don't like him because of his decision to give exclusivity to News Corp(SKY)and Mirror Group, so we get a bad press there. TBH, the majority in the rest of the UK would be delighted if the club folded tomorrow, apart from the fact that most of the PL get a decent points haul from playing NUFC and SKY get full stadiums to show every time they visit SJP.

You would have to be stupid not to think that all this has gone unnoticed by the PL, the FA and Refs generally, and that is why they act accordingly...

It has NEVER been easy following NUFC and it isn't going to change any time soon..!

[CaliMag]

After reading a fair few comments from earlier in the thread, some people need to get their heads round the fact that NUFC are NOT a popular club anymore, especially in the south.

We upset a lot of comfortable journalists by challenging the London-NW axis back under SJH and KK - also, to a lesser extent under SBR, but they weren't as vocal about him because he had been England manager. Once the 'Entertainers' tag wore thin and we fluffed the title in 96, they began to see us as Paper Tigers who they could laugh at, esp once SJH and KK went and again after SBR was sacked.

TBF, they have had a point since then...we have had a succession of dire managers, a board which was nepotistic to say the least and then a new owner who has done his best to make money from the club by turning it into a laughing stock with mindless decisions...because he too is a Southerner, we are resented by people down there because we rejected him and his southern oppos like Wise, the two Spanish sounding guys , Llambias and managers like Pardew and the Womble King.

The media don't like him because of his decision to give exclusivity to News Corp(SKY)and Mirror Group, so we get a bad press there. TBH, the majority in the rest of the UK would be delighted if the club folded tomorrow, apart from the fact that most of the PL get a decent points haul from playing NUFC and SKY get full stadiums to show every time they visit SJP.

You would have to be stupid not to think that all this has gone unnoticed by the PL, the FA and Refs generally, and that is why they act accordingly...

It has NEVER been easy following NUFC and it isn't going to change any time soon..!

Totally agree

... and I think it is worse due to the current political environment of England.

[Thomson Mouse]

This is the most infuriating commentary in a long time.

Waddle was just as bad on our commentary in Oz....supported Marriner over almost every decision apart from his not awarding a pen for Thauvin's tackle..!

 

Tbf to pelanty his initial reaction was that it wasn't a red, it was only after he realised he had better fall into line he changed his view. He also said that Colo's tackle wasn't a free kick.

 

Not that I'm sticking up for him like, can't stand him.

 

Whereabouts in oz are you?

[Guest]

Ashley's right...ban the lot of them.