joeyt Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Don't agree with the disgrace obvs but those stats are dreadful We've only gained 1 point when he's started a match, vs Liverpool. Started against Palace and Southampton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Didnt he assist Joselu's goal vs Liverpool anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 He got a great assist against Liverpool, whether he started the game or not is kind of irrelevant tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Don't think it goes down as an official assist as Matip kicks it off Joselu but it should go down as an assist imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Didnt he assist Joselu's goal vs Liverpool anyway? He did, but I don't think it was counted due to Joselu's finish coming off Matip. Could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Don't think it goes down as an official assist as Matip kicks it off Joselu but it should go down as an assist imo I see, that's a shame - it was a wonderful through ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 It wouldn't have counted as an assist. Our entire squad is shite. Without Shelvey starting we've still been getting battered despite him apparently being the problem in midfield. Merino and Hayden (and Diame) have been no better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I honestly wouldn't care about his assists or goals that much if he was doing the rest of the work for 90 mins. If he's winning tackles, making passes, and generally getting up and down the pitch to good effect, he's doing his job. I don't think he does enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Merino's a good example actually, despite not being the finished article he's physically imposing, good tackler, great in the air, decent enough passer who looks forward, seems to have good strike on him, good technique, yet he's still not able to impose himself properly in midfield and make a decent impact on the game. We're just absolutely shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Merino's a good example actually, despite not being the finished article he's physically imposing, good tackler, great in the air, decent enough passer who looks forward, seems to have good strike on him, good technique, yet he's still not able to impose himself properly in midfield and make a decent impact on the game. We're just absolutely shite. That's a case in point. Even if he's having a poor game, he's always involved, getting up and down the pitch, he's not going to go missing for large periods of the game. That's what I expect from midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Aye but it still amounts to nothing as the team is rubbish. We replace Shelvey with Hayden and we still create fuck all and get fucked in midfield, we replace him with another Merino and we'll still create fuck all and get fucked in midfield. Shelvey sauntering about the pitch has literally zero negative impact on us over the competition as we've seen when he's out of the side. He's never going to be a dynamic midfielder. It's all a lie anyway, people couldn't give a shit about attitude hence how Ritchie is getting slated, and Dummett (who's an average Premiership fullback) gets the same. When we're shit it's just open season on anyone for any reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ManDoon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Thats the problem with Shelvey if he isnt on, he's a total passenger and you carry him. He's as bad off the ball as I've seen as a CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 He's shite always has been. Hans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 We don't have any athletes in midfield. We don't really have many in the squad, full stop. The mobility of someone like Gueye for them, compared to Diame, Merino and Shelvey all struggling to cover ground and dominate physically, is pretty evident. They brought that Blasic on out wide and he was a right handful. Manquillo had been good up until that point, but suddenly lost the plot. There isn't a lot of pace, power or tenacity in our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 But we replace him with Hayden and we're no better. We replace Merino with Hayden and we're no better. Defensively they're technically stronger players but we still get fucked in midfield. We play 2 defensive midfielders with Perez working his arse off ahead of them and we're still awful in midfield. Shelvey isn't a great midfielder but he's easily the best we have on the ball, it doesn't amount to anything though as with him out of the side we're still weak in midfield and with him in the side we still create nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I suppose what I'm saying is (and this isn't directed at you Santoon as I don't think you've said out wrong) we can look to individual players and point out positives and flaws but it ultimately means nothing until we actually have a proper squad. We pretty much went a season with people calling Cabaye shite. We went like 4 year with people calling Ben Arfa shite (Shelvey isn't anywhere near as good as either). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Shelvey seems to be better off the bench against tired opponents, allowed a more free role to create without as much need to run around chasing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Even then I think that's more down to the dynamic of the game shifting rather than him being better because he's fitter. It happens with all of our players - look at the first half yesterday and against Bournemouth for example. It's not necessarily tired opponents, just opponents who either aren't in the game or have dropped out of it. When they're organised like Everton were in the 2nd half we pretty much can never score or even look close to scoring other than from a set piece or individual error. I don't think any player we have changes that coming on at 60 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ManDoon Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Ndidi for Leicester is exactly the sort of player we need. Thought he was class for them against us Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Aye, we're back in that pre-Tiote phase again (to use a comparison from the last time we came up). Need someone with his aggression and mobility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Aye the first I've seen him was against us, he was everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Aye the first I've seen him was against us, he was everywhere. Ndidi was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Aye, we're back in that pre-Tiote phase again (to use a comparison from the last time we came up). Need someone with his aggression and mobility. While I agree, I'm not sure that type is a great fit with Merino. Obviously that means we are crying out for 3 in midfield, not particularly sure Rafa is comfortable with that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Shelvey seems to be better off the bench against tired opponents, allowed a more free role to create without as much need to run around chasing. This is where I’m at. Better at joining a stretched game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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