Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[taxfree]

I just think it's a shame for him. You can see from his post match interview that he's desperate to go. I think he deserves a call-up as a just reward for his performances this season. Other lesser players are being selected over him for reasons that are largely beyond his control. It will ultimately be England's loss.

 

My thoughts exactly.

[Twinport53]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5728415/Southgate-no-fool-isnt-play-Pirlo-role-England.html

 

His last experience of Wilshere was a late withdrawal from England's squad for matches against Holland and Italy and he will not pick Shelvey having failed to balance the rave reviews he hears every week with the player that emerges from statistical breakdowns: three assists all season, one goal and a pass-completion rate of 72.4 per cent.

 

That is not Andrea Pirlo. That is not Toni Kroos. That is not even Jordan Henderson, whose pass completion for Liverpool is 84.4 per cent. Shelvey is more ambitious in his range, true, but more than a quarter of his attempts do not reach the target.

This is one of Southgate's misgivings — that Shelvey spends too long admiring his work, isn't mobile enough and could be marked easily. It is the same view Terry Venables held of Matt Le Tissier — which is why he was not a team-mate of Southgate's at Euro 96.

 

Damn this scathingly accurate article.

 

I've never seen him admire his own passes, he's been more mobile in the last 12 months than the rest of his career combined, and if he's so easy to mark how come he's still making the passes and finding space? As for % of passes, he's in a newly promoted team with Joselu and Gayle as targets not the most potent front 3 in the PL.

 

Why is everything about Jonjo misconstrued and taken out of context? To justify keeping him out

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Anyone who's watched him regularly recently would want him to go. Or at least if you don't, it's because you really rate someone else or you don't think he fits the system or whatever.

 

Nothing about his attitude or his game has been anything other than excellent recently.

 

It was always a long shot though, he's come into the picture quite late. It's just a shame some nothing players are going instead.

[TRon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5728415/Southgate-no-fool-isnt-play-Pirlo-role-England.html

 

His last experience of Wilshere was a late withdrawal from England's squad for matches against Holland and Italy and he will not pick Shelvey having failed to balance the rave reviews he hears every week with the player that emerges from statistical breakdowns: three assists all season, one goal and a pass-completion rate of 72.4 per cent.

 

That is not Andrea Pirlo. That is not Toni Kroos. That is not even Jordan Henderson, whose pass completion for Liverpool is 84.4 per cent. Shelvey is more ambitious in his range, true, but more than a quarter of his attempts do not reach the target.

This is one of Southgate's misgivings — that Shelvey spends too long admiring his work, isn't mobile enough and could be marked easily. It is the same view Terry Venables held of Matt Le Tissier — which is why he was not a team-mate of Southgate's at Euro 96.

 

Damn this scathingly accurate article.

 

I've never seen him admire his own passes, he's been more mobile in the last 12 months than the rest of his career combined, and if he's so easy to mark how come he's still making the passes and finding space? As for % of passes, he's in a newly promoted team with Joselu and Gayle as targets not the most potent front 3 in the PL.

 

Why is everything about Jonjo misconstrued and taken out of context? To justify keeping him out

 

Wow,  Henderson't pass completion rate is more that 10% better? Makes me think we should have held onto Colback, pretty sure his was right up there as well.

[steve_69]

Henderson passes sideways or backwards almost every time he touches the ball. No wonder he has such good passing stats.

The fact that he has the best front three in the Premier League in front of him and only has assists in the single figures shows how fucking useless he is and should never be used as a stat to try and back up how good he is.

Livermore is a joke! If he's international quality then i'm not far off.

 

Shelvey has been playing in a Championship team, with strikers who couldn't hit a fucking barn door. His long range passing is sublime and his vision makes every other midfielder in the England squad look like a school boy.

 

Southgate's job should be to pick the best team with the strongest chance of winning the World Cup fullstop. 'Who's the best fucking tourist?!' No wonder we're so fucking shit at international football

[AyeDubbleYoo]

FWIW I'm sure Southgate won't be picking his squad based on that pass accuracy stat.

[Shearergol]

Is Lallana likely to go, what with his 0 goals and 0 assists this season?

[Dokko]

Really hope England bomb out in the groups.

[Hanshithispantz]

Gary Lineker seems to believe Southgate is some omniscient squad selecting football god.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Really hope England bomb out in the groups.

 

Because of this?

[Shearergol]

Really hope England bomb out in the groups.

 

Because of this?

 

No, just because.

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Well done Jonjo!

 

 

 

On a great season.

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

 

Henderson passes sideways or backwards almost every time he touches the ball. No wonder he has such good passing stats.

 

Why do so many people get Henderson so wrong?

 

That's simply not true, like. At least for Liverpool anyway. He passes forward all the time, nigh on always first time as well.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I really like Henderson, he's a weird focus for criticism IMO.

[Guest neesy111]

Aye, henderson's a good player.

[Guest alijmitchell]

Why people are getting so wound up over this I'll never know. Sure playing in the World Cup is great, but we won't make it past the groups and they'll all be vilified when they get back.

[Hanshithispantz]

Aye there's a reason he's captain and an ever present in one of the best offensive teams in the world. I wouldn't have both him and Dier in the side but one of them has to play.

[Mole_Toonfan]

It's controversial but I honestly don't see it being a big deal if Shelvey doesn't get picked.

 

Lascelles is a different story entirely, at least you can put Alli in midfield (you shouldn't but you can)  but with Lascelles the alternatives are mostly all terrible.

[Papavasiliou]

 

 

Henderson passes sideways or backwards almost every time he touches the ball. No wonder he has such good passing stats.

 

Why do so many people get Henderson so wrong?

 

That's simply not true, like. At least for Liverpool anyway. He passes forward all the time, nigh on always first time as well.

 

He was pinging them all over the shop against us.

[joeyt]

Is Lallana likely to go, what with his 0 goals and 0 assists this season?

He's been one of England's best players the last few years. Been injured most of this season

[Twinport53]

Is Lallana likely to go, what with his 0 goals and 0 assists this season?

He's been one of England's best players the last few years. Been injured most of this season

 

But what about his uncontrollable temper? He strangled a kid in an u23 game

 

 

[thenige]

Hasn't played an international match in a couple of years and has extremely limited experience of playing in European competitions. Can't blame Southgate really for leaving out a player who hasn't been in an England squad at any point during qualification, even if he has had a good season.

 

Personally don't think his game particularly suits Southgate's tactics anyway. Whether or not they're particularly the right tactics to be playing with the players he has available is another argument entirely. At least as a manager he's mainly been sticking by his principles.

[Hanshithispantz]

Hasn't played an international match in a couple of years and has extremely limited experience of playing in European competitions. Can't blame Southgate really for leaving out a player who hasn't been in an England squad at any point during qualification, even if he has had a good season.

 

Personally don't think his game particularly suits Southgate's tactics anyway. Whether or not they're particularly the right tactics to be playing with the players he has available is another argument entirely. At least as a manager he's mainly been sticking by his principles.

I mean you can like as it was him who was responsible for that.

 

He was pissing about starting Jake Livermore and Jack Cork.

[samptime29]

Hasn't played an international match in a couple of years and has extremely limited experience of playing in European competitions. Can't blame Southgate really for leaving out a player who hasn't been in an England squad at any point during qualification, even if he has had a good season.

 

Personally don't think his game particularly suits Southgate's tactics anyway. Whether or not they're particularly the right tactics to be playing with the players he has available is another argument entirely. At least as a manager he's mainly been sticking by his principles.

I mean you can like as it was him who was responsible for that.

 

He was pissing about starting Jake Livermore and Jack Cork.

 

Exactly.

[Tiresias]

What's madder, not selecting Shelvey because the opposition will mark him out or selecting a bunch of players the opposition won't need to mark?