Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He hasn't been a good signing at all, needs loads of time and space when attacking and it's like he's not there when we're defending. Maybe he can improve but I would be playing him at the moment.

[Guest neesy111]

He hasn't been a good signing at all, needs loads of time and space when attacking and it's like he's not there when we're defending. Maybe he can improve but I would be playing him at the moment.

 

It's going to take a huge change in attitude for him to become someone dependable in the team.

[loki679]

Didn't agree with dropping him but it worked for team shape. He could be a really good player, I have hope he can be a good all-rounder under Rafa.

 

He'll ah

 

Can't blame him for that, everybody likes a good ah now and again.

[Leazes_End_Mag]

Didn't agree with the decision to drop him but it worked 100%. We looked far weaker defensively as soon as Tiote went off.

[Mr Logic]

I'm not rating Shelvey. If we can't control the game he's a luxury. If you're in a relegation scrap he looks like a luxury also. Wouldn't play him again this season unless something dramatic changed.

[The College Dropout]

doesnt know how to play the CM role. 

[Begbie]

Sooooo slooooow. Slow motion technique and slow motion running. So far he is worse than i thought, think he would be good in the championship.

[sh74]

He's more of a number 10,just add him to the list of number 10s in the squad.

[triggs]

He's more of a number 10,just add him to the list of number 10s in the squad.

He isn't, his long passing is his best attribute by a mile. He's not agile or skillful enough to be a number 10

[Ndegwa]

I don't get what he is. He's supposed to be a proficient long range passer (which is questionable imo), so should surely sit deeper...but he looks terrible there. He's not got the guile, agility or intelligence to play in behind a striker. He couldn't play anywhere on the sides due to his lack of athleticism...so what the hell is he? Really don't like him, technically or attitude-wise. English tho

[HawK]

I don't get what he is. He's supposed to be a proficient long range passer (which is questionable imo), so should surely sit deeper...but he looks terrible there. He's not got the guile, agility or intelligence to play in behind a striker. He couldn't play anywhere on the sides due to his lack of athleticism...so what the hell is he? Really don't like him, technically or attitude-wise. English tho

 

If we had a couple of engines in front of him, he would be fine imo

[Zero]

He is a midfielder with design fault. 

[ED209]

He is a midfielder with design fault. 

 

Which is?

 

Being crap?

[Dr Venkman]

I like him but in a functioning team his best position is probably on the bench.

[Cronky]

If he was playing in a team that was usually better than the opposition, he'd be fine because he'd have a bit more time and space in which to operate. In a team that's struggling, his lack of mobility and pace gets exposed.

[TRon]

I don't get what he is. He's supposed to be a proficient long range passer (which is questionable imo), so should surely sit deeper...but he looks terrible there. He's not got the guile, agility or intelligence to play in behind a striker. He couldn't play anywhere on the sides due to his lack of athleticism...so what the hell is he? Really don't like him, technically or attitude-wise. English tho

 

He can pick a good pass, of that there shouldn't be much doubt, there's been some beauties even in his short time here. The question should be, is the odd Hollywood pass more effective over 90 mins than a succession of quick short passes? If you compare with Leicester this season then you'd have to say no. The basics of hard work and team ethic come first.

[Alberto2005]

He'd probably be best in a midfield 3.

[Guest chopey]

He needs a free role because he's not disciplined enough to hold down a set position (a bit like Gerrard really)

[The College Dropout]

He needs a free role because he's not disciplined enough to hold down a set position (a bit like Gerrard really)

Aye - always struck me as one of Gerrard's shit offspring. Charlie Adam, Shelvey even Ramsey.

[joeyt]

Ramsey is a completely different player to Shelvey and Adam though

 

That is an absolutely absurd comparison

[Lush Vlad]

spot on Joey.

 

Ramsey is pretty mobile, is well suited to playing in the best passing team in the league, he can operate out wide, he can play behind the striker or as a centre mid.  I would say comparing him to Charlie Adam and Jonjo Shelvey, is a bit of an odd one? 

 

As for Shelvey.  I think Cronky is spot on with his assessment.  In a team that can control possession and dominate games.  I think he'd actually be a very good player.  For a team like us, that do neither of those things.  He's pretty ineffective and is actually a bit of a hindrance. 

[Sho Time]

Don't know why everyone keeps banging on about him being a luxury player, have you seen the points he does? The ones where he points at a player telling a player to pick the man up despite the fact that either 1) he's closer or 2) he's making no effort to close down the player closest to him with the ball. f***ing brilliant, man. Just what we need.

[The College Dropout]

Ramsey is mobile but he has zero positional discipline.  He leaves massive gaps in CM with his forward runs.  Without the ball unless he's charging around putting in tackles he's useless.  Often that charging leaves gaps to be exploited. 

 

To me that's the Gerrard legacy on British football. 'Central midfielders ' largely incapable of playing in a midfield 2 against players of similar ability because of ill-discipline off the ball and sometimes on it.  Lots of running and slide tackles masking the fact they leave the team vulnerable. In a midfield 2 - a tactical liability.  Perfectly fine in a midfield 3 btw. 

[Ndegwa]

TCD man! Fucking relentless  Can't remember the last time Aaron bloody Ramsey was flying into tackles

 

Don't know why everyone keeps banging on about him being a luxury player, have you seen the points he does? The ones where he points at a player telling a player to pick the man up despite the fact that either 1) he's closer or 2) he's making no effort to close down the player closest to him with the ball. f***ing brilliant, man. Just what we need.

 

 

A luxury player would also sort of mean that he has a specific ability that, in the right environment, is mercurial, special, useful or at least commendable. He doesn't.

[The College Dropout]

Ramsey makes far more challenges than you would imagine. On average, more so than Elniny(sp?) so far. He's also the player that has been dribbled around the most in the league (or he was a few weeks back).