BlueStar Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daily Mail saying they should have points deducted for playing Johnson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3503745/Adam-Johnson-not-played-Sunderland-club-deducted-point-draw-Liverpool.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daily Mail saying they should have points deducted for playing Johnson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3503745/Adam-Johnson-not-played-Sunderland-club-deducted-point-draw-Liverpool.html There is a first. I agree with the Daily Heil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Some morons on there saying its innocent until proven guilty, completely ignoring the fact he admitted his guilt to Margaret Byrne in 2015. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I doubt the FA have a specific rule that covers this particular scenario morally yes, they should probably be deducted points, but it won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Some morons on there saying its innocent until proven guilty, completely ignoring the fact he admitted his guilt to Margaret Byrne in 2015. Unlike Cabral who was instantly sacked regardless of guilt, something they claimed couldnt happen. Wonder what the difference was...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Star player vs spare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Star player vs spare Thanks for clarifying. Was a bit worried my post was too cryptic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Have the FA said owt about Nohnson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daily Mail saying they should have points deducted for playing Johnson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3503745/Adam-Johnson-not-played-Sunderland-club-deducted-point-draw-Liverpool.html Adrian Durham writing in the Daily Mail As much as I despise Johnson, and to a lesser extent Byrne for what they did, Sunderland AFC haven't actually broke any FA rules. If they did I'm sure a top 'reporter' like Durham would have been able to find it. He's almost as bad in print as he is on his radio show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You'd hope justice is done and Sunderland are relegated but life doesn't work that way. Probably Newcastle and Norwich will get Relegated while the paedo playing Sunderland stay up and rub our noses in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 You'd hope justice is done and Sunderland are relegated but life doesn't work that way. Probably Newcastle and Norwich will get Relegated while the pedo playing Sunderland stay up and rub our noses in it. Aye if there's any justice the club who knowingly harboured a paedo with fans who cheered his crime would be relegated but chances are they'll finish in 17th place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Unfortunately for these they don't play us every week, where they can target a player who has no business to be on the pitch never mind at left back. Fabio Borini isn't going to be bullying anymore Premier League defenders for a while, if ever. They are harder to beat but fail to do Sam's basic mantra - keep clean sheets, like us they can't win games and will be in it right until the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daily Mail saying they should have points deducted for playing Johnson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3503745/Adam-Johnson-not-played-Sunderland-club-deducted-point-draw-Liverpool.html Adrian Durham writing in the Daily Mail As much as I despise Johnson, and to a lesser extent Byrne for what they did, Sunderland AFC haven't actually broke any FA rules. If they did I'm sure a top 'reporter' like Durham would have been able to find it. He's almost as bad in print as he is on his radio show. I'm normally not one to disagree in this way, but Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) knew that he had groomed and kissed a child. They rightly suspended him, but the reason I think that points should be deducted is because he was then unsuspected in order to gain a points advantage (in full knowledge of his guilt) - if the club has gained an advantage having known, then the club should be stripped of that advantage. That's my opinion on it, but that doesn't mean that I think it'll happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Away from football, and following the dreadful events of today, here's one positive bit of news in 'The War on Terror'.....sunderland man stabs a guy for looking like ISIS. In Tescos. With Scissors. Take that, twisted ideological take on Islam! http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-thug-claimed-stabbing-asian-11075958 Life in sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Away from football, and following the dreadful events of today, here's one positive bit of news in 'The War on Terror'.....sunderland man stabs a guy for looking like ISIS. In Tescos. With Scissors. Take that, twisted ideological take on Islam! http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-thug-claimed-stabbing-asian-11075958 Life in sunderland. How the fuck do you not end up in prison for that?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daily Mail saying they should have points deducted for playing Johnson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3503745/Adam-Johnson-not-played-Sunderland-club-deducted-point-draw-Liverpool.html Adrian Durham writing in the Daily Mail As much as I despise Johnson, and to a lesser extent Byrne for what they did, Sunderland AFC haven't actually broke any FA rules. If they did I'm sure a top 'reporter' like Durham would have been able to find it. He's almost as bad in print as he is on his radio show. I wouldn't be so certain. The FA have child safeguarding policies, given what Byrne has said about her not disclosing the details she knew to anyone, Sunderland cannot have carried out a valid safeguarding assessment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm normally not one to disagree in this way, but Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) knew that he had groomed and kissed a child. They rightly suspended him, but the reason I think that points should be deducted is because he was then unsuspected in order to gain a points advantage (in full knowledge of his guilt) - if the club has gained an advantage having known, then the club should be stripped of that advantage. That's my opinion on it, but that doesn't mean that I think it'll happen. If you, Durham, or anyone else can show me the rule Sunderland football club have broken then I'll quite happily take the points deduction. Acting immorally isn't a specific offence as far as I know. Don't get me wrong, I think the club have came out of this terribly, but no rules have been broken in respect of getting points deducted. The Daily Mail is a repugnant, contemptible mess of a 'newspaper', and is in no position to moralise on any subject, to anyone........ever. It would be the most abhorrent rag this country still has in print if it weren't for The Sun. I'd rather read Mein Kampf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm normally not one to disagree in this way, but Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) knew that he had groomed and kissed a child. They rightly suspended him, but the reason I think that points should be deducted is because he was then unsuspected in order to gain a points advantage (in full knowledge of his guilt) - if the club has gained an advantage having known, then the club should be stripped of that advantage. That's my opinion on it, but that doesn't mean that I think it'll happen. If you, Durham, or anyone else can show me the rule Sunderland football club have broken then I'll quite happily take the points deduction. Acting immorally isn't a specific offence as far as I know. Don't get me wrong, I think the club have came out of this terribly, but no rules have been broken in respect of getting points deducted. The Daily Mail is a repugnant, contemptible mess of a 'newspaper', and is in no position to moralise on any subject, to anyone........ever. It would be the most abhorrent rag this country still has in print if it weren't for The Sun. I'd rather read Mein Kampf. I don't have a specific rule that's been broken, and if I did I imagine it would be a broader law rather than an FA rule. It's more that I think the club should be rather than they will. I think it goes beyond morals and into criminality, personally. The club should be held accountable for playing someone who they knew was guilty of a serious crime and ignoring police advice, potentially putting more people in danger in doing so, for the sake of gaining a points advantage, which was gained by doing so. As a result, in light of that, the club should have those points deducted imo. Agree about the Daily Mail in general, but I do agree with them on this even if I don't necessarily agree that immigrant spongers cause radicalised cancer terrorism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 In European leagues you can be deducted points for the actions of your crowd (for example, racist chanting), yet in this country a club from top to bottom can very publicly support a paedophile something incredibly wrong with that. Whilst I completely agree the mackems should face some sort of punishment, I'm not sure what I would personally suggest as fines etc are worthless at this level unless it is severely substantial. That being said, I have no idea why we are discussing it because it is clear that absolutely nothing will be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'm normally not one to disagree in this way, but Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) knew that he had groomed and kissed a child. They rightly suspended him, but the reason I think that points should be deducted is because he was then unsuspected in order to gain a points advantage (in full knowledge of his guilt) - if the club has gained an advantage having known, then the club should be stripped of that advantage. That's my opinion on it, but that doesn't mean that I think it'll happen. If you, Durham, or anyone else can show me the rule Sunderland football club have broken then I'll quite happily take the points deduction. Acting immorally isn't a specific offence as far as I know. Don't get me wrong, I think the club have came out of this terribly, but no rules have been broken in respect of getting points deducted. The Daily Mail is a repugnant, contemptible mess of a 'newspaper', and is in no position to moralise on any subject, to anyone........ever. It would be the most abhorrent rag this country still has in print if it weren't for The Sun. I'd rather read Mein Kampf. http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/safeguarding/introduction-to-safeguarding-children Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) withheld information which it seems would have almost certainly changed the outcome of whatever safeguarding assessment/s were carried out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DonaldGrump Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ashley will have is Lawyers on this one if we finish 3rd bottom a point behind them....well if he was still bothered about us he would.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/removeadamjohnsonappeal/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/safeguarding/introduction-to-safeguarding-children Margaret Byrne (and therefore the club) withheld information which it seems would have almost certainly changed the outcome of whatever safeguarding assessment/s were carried out. You don't know that. You're surmising. She may have still put in safeguarding procedures even with Johnson still there, but to be honest it's irrelevant. There would still have been no rules broken which could lead to a points deduction. I think it's wrong, and the rules should be changed, but as it stands that's the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Mackem Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ashley will have is Lawyers on this one if we finish 3rd bottom a point behind them....well if he was still bothered about us he would.. Norwich and Fulham (I think) tried to get us points deducted when they got relegated because we fielded a player with incorrect paperwork. Even if we'd had points deducted that season we'd have still finished above the relegation places, so they went kind of quiet after that. I don't blame people for wanting points deducted, desperate times require desperate measures, but I can't see how it can happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ashley will have is Lawyers on this one if we finish 3rd bottom a point behind them....well if he was still bothered about us he would.. Norwich and Fulham (I think) tried to get us points deducted when they got relegated because we fielded a player with incorrect paperwork. Even if we'd had points deducted that season we'd have still finished above the relegation places, so they went kind of quiet after that. I don't blame people for wanting points deducted, desperate times require desperate measures, but I can't see how it can happen. Agree. Just got to hope justice is served and the club who knowingly harboured a paedophile for their own gain is relegated anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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