Froggy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with fucking Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. You're right, and I shouldn't undermine what he did, but IMO what Benitez did at Liverpool and Valencia was far more impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 It will be interesting to see how Pep gets along at Man City. His team at Barcelona was probably the best club football team in my memory, but how will that translate to English football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Mint going forward, all over the place at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. I agree with this too, but Pep did get the best out of Messi and stepped them up another level. Still think Benitez's achievements are more impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 It's the 'full control' bit I like and that's what he wanted. He sees the potential in this club and knows what he can do with it. We've been crying out for something like this to happen ever since the John Hall days. It has happened because Ashley must have taken some serious batterings money wise through lousy decisions and appointments. He's a money man and he'll have said to Rafa (not in so many words) sort this fucking football club out so that it's making me loads of money because I don't know how to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. How comes Barca only got success again once they signed Neymar and Suarez then? absolutely ridiculous some of the criticisms he gets tbh. Only man in the history of football i can think of that consistently wins league titles and gets to at least the CL semis and if he doesn't get the treble it's not considered enough. Don't ever recall Ferguson, Ancelotti or Mourinho ever getting the same level of expectations or criticism and they had some pretty fucking amazing teams too, hell Ancelotti won the league once with Milan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How on earth will Pep tactically deal with long balls up to the big 6'4 lads? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 How on earth will Pep tactically deal with long balls up to the big 6'4 lads? Buy 6'5 defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. How comes Barca only got success again once they signed Neymar and Suarez then? absolutely ridiculous some of the criticisms he gets tbh. Only man in the history of football i can think of that consistently wins league titles and gets to at least the CL semis and if he doesn't get the treble it's not considered enough. Don't ever recall Ferguson, Ancelotti or Mourinho ever getting the same level of expectations or criticism and they had some pretty f***ing amazing teams too, hell Ancelotti won the league once with Milan. Shut it Mole, Froggy is trying to be nice for once and support our move and you're trying to correct him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 I hope Allardyce and Pulis use their evil footballing powers to troll Pep into an early grave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. How comes Barca only got success again once they signed Neymar and Suarez then? absolutely ridiculous some of the criticisms he gets tbh. Only man in the history of football i can think of that consistently wins league titles and gets to at least the CL semis and if he doesn't get the treble it's not considered enough. Don't ever recall Ferguson, Ancelotti or Mourinho ever getting the same level of expectations or criticism and they had some pretty f***ing amazing teams too, hell Ancelotti won the league once with Milan. All the managers you've mentioned have succeeded with teams that wouldn't be in the top 3 in Europe though. That's why imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. What a load of bollocks. When Rijkaard left the team was a mess, key parts of it aka Deco and Ronaldinho and others were leaving or on decline. Iniesta wasn't even a starter at that time, Xavi was in and out of the team wasn't the guy we know him as today. Pique, Alves weren't there, Busquets was in the reserves. I could go on and on here really, also Messi was a kid at the time although that was good timing more than anything in all fairness. I hate to keep defending him but the amount uninformed crap that gets spewed is amazing to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. How comes Barca only got success again once they signed Neymar and Suarez then? absolutely ridiculous some of the criticisms he gets tbh. Only man in the history of football i can think of that consistently wins league titles and gets to at least the CL semis and if he doesn't get the treble it's not considered enough. Don't ever recall Ferguson, Ancelotti or Mourinho ever getting the same level of expectations or criticism and they had some pretty f***ing amazing teams too, hell Ancelotti won the league once with Milan. Shut it Mole, Froggy is trying to be nice for once and support our move and you're trying to correct him. Stop being so defensive, this has nothing to do with Rafa It has everything to do with the usual bollocks that gets spewed by uninformed idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Please go on in the Pep discussion thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 #MolesOpinionsMatter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Please go on in the Pep discussion thread. I'll stop now Rafa >>>>> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. What a load of bollocks. When Rijkaard left the team was a mess, key parts of it aka Deco and Ronaldinho and others were leaving or on decline. Iniesta wasn't even a starter at that time, Xavi was in and out of the team wasn't the guy we know him as today. Pique, Alves weren't there, Busquets was in the reserves. I could go on and on here really, also Messi was a kid at the time although that was good timing more than anything in all fairness. I hate to keep defending him but the amount uninformed crap that gets spewed is amazing to me. Xavi and Iniesta started like 100 games between them in his last season and you reckon they were in and out of the team. :lol: Busquets was a fucking kid too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. How comes Barca only got success again once they signed Neymar and Suarez then? absolutely ridiculous some of the criticisms he gets tbh. Only man in the history of football i can think of that consistently wins league titles and gets to at least the CL semis and if he doesn't get the treble it's not considered enough. Don't ever recall Ferguson, Ancelotti or Mourinho ever getting the same level of expectations or criticism and they had some pretty f***ing amazing teams too, hell Ancelotti won the league once with Milan. Shut it Mole, Froggy is trying to be nice for once and support our move and you're trying to correct him. Stop being so defensive, this has nothing to do with Rafa It has everything to do with the usual bollocks that gets spewed by uninformed idiots. Uninformed man. We can all go on Wikipedia and pretend to know who everyone is Mole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueview Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Not often a championship club argue about their manager versus Guardiola, Wenger etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. What a load of bollocks. When Rijkaard left the team was a mess, key parts of it aka Deco and Ronaldinho and others were leaving or on decline. Iniesta wasn't even a starter at that time, Xavi was in and out of the team wasn't the guy we know him as today. Pique, Alves weren't there, Busquets was in the reserves. I could go on and on here really, also Messi was a kid at the time although that was good timing more than anything in all fairness. I hate to keep defending him but the amount uninformed crap that gets spewed is amazing to me. Xavi and Iniesta started like 100 games between them in his last season and you reckon they were in and out of the team. :lol: Busquets was a f***ing kid too. Iniesta wasn't a starter then, i'm pretty sure VI can back me up on this. Also Rijkaard played two DMs with Deco in front quite a lot. Anyway i have said what i need to say. Carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 "And here lies Mole, champion of Pep's record against an Irish ManU fan on a Newcastle United message board." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Wonder which challenging job Pep will take after Man City? Could it be Basel? Could it be Olympiakos? I'm so excited to find out. I hear he turned down the Celtic job when Rangers looked comfortable for promotion. Pep's too good for any competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just thinking out loud - how many managers do you think are better than Rafa? I've got Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Klopp, Wenger.... I'd add Simeone to that list, too. Better than Rafa? Klopp & Wenger it's a no. Ancelotti & Simeone maybe. Lets see how Guardiola goes in the PL, I have a feeling he will struggle. Simeone maybe. Wenger no. Klopp yes. Ancelotti definitely. I'd rather Benitez than Guardiola too. Benitez over Pep. I might revisit this in a year but aye he is. Pep has been handed teams that are some of the best ever. Benitez has won trophies with second tier sides. Won the CL with f***ing Liverpool ffs. That's not exactly true imo. Whatever has happened since, Pep created one of the best teams ever at Barcelona, he didn't have it handed to him at all. He set them up that way and he had them playing in that style. Bayern was a very easy gig for him and he didn't prove anything, but that shouldn't taint what he did at Barcelona, because it really was a massive deal. Rijkaard put that team together imo. What a load of bollocks. When Rijkaard left the team was a mess, key parts of it aka Deco and Ronaldinho and others were leaving or on decline. Iniesta wasn't even a starter at that time, Xavi was in and out of the team wasn't the guy we know him as today. Pique, Alves weren't there, Busquets was in the reserves. I could go on and on here really, also Messi was a kid at the time although that was good timing more than anything in all fairness. I hate to keep defending him but the amount uninformed crap that gets spewed is amazing to me. Xavi and Iniesta started like 100 games between them in his last season and you reckon they were in and out of the team. :lol: Busquets was a f***ing kid too. Iniesta wasn't a starter then, i'm pretty sure VI can back me up on this. Also Rijkaard played two DMs with Deco in front quite a lot. Anyway i have said what i need to say. Carry on. Iniesta started 43 games that season. You don't need VI to say jack shit. It's there in black and white. Also, Mr In and Out of the Team Xavi started 50 games. It's also there in black and white. Nice try though. Pep is overrated. Rafa forever. Howay the lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Literally can't believe this is happening like. :smitten: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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