Sir Toon Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 It's a concern but for once I can understand the reasons behind being frugal. He's only being shafted if he's been promised permanent signings but, on that note, I can remember him saying himself that we're looking at the loan market. Up to now it hasn't happened because we haven't been able to make a deal. I don't believe he is being shafted. It'd be a shame and a medium-to-low risk if we didn't sign anyone, but Rafa seems cool enough and we still really ought to go up without. I'm not that worried but I'm speaking purely in terms of this month. Summer is another matter. Agree with this like. Summer is another matter as Rafa wont want to be battling relegation, if we go up, when the likes of Schtevie got a £73m net spend to steer us towards the trap door. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the t+c's of the contract that funds would be released on premier league promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I honestly think he's been screwed over this window. He's said in every press conference that he wanted players in, how clear it was that we needed more balance and quality. And we're coming to the end of the window so far with nowt. With the reports of Ashley's attempt at re-stamping his authority, I'm personally pretty worried for the summer if/when we go up. Still extremely surprised at how many people were so quick to dismiss that story in the Mirror, even after everything that's happened under Ashley's tenure. Agree Dave....but not me - or you by the tone of your comment ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I honestly think he's been screwed over this window. He's said in every press conference that he wanted players in, how clear it was that we needed more balance and quality. And we're coming to the end of the window so far with nowt. With the reports of Ashley's attempt at re-stamping his authority, I'm personally pretty worried for the summer if/when we go up. Aye, if he walks it wont be now, he will see us back to the premier league then go if he does go, and sadly I can see it happening thanks to Ashley, I pray to god I'm wrong. This - don't think he'll walk until the end of the season but almost certainly will then unless he gets massive support in the summer window. Plenty of good clubs would grab him..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Genuinely think I'd fully give up on the club if Rafa were to walk because of Ashley. Last time no one outside the club (and a lot of our supporters, in fairness) bothered to acknowledge Ashley's catastrophic policies- mainly because it was Pardew who was the manager in question- but this time I think it would be extremely obvious to all that the club is poisoned beyond help whilst the current ownership remains. Last Championship season during the Jan. window we signed Leon Best for £2m and Fabrice Pancrate on a free. Was there anyone else? Clear as day now that all Ashley's intentions consist of are getting us back onto the gravy train for as little as possible, before keeping us on that train for as little as possible. Actually makes me want to top myself thinking about it (the worst part though is knowing the apathy people would/will great Benitez's revolt with). 'We cannit compete man!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Genuinely think I'd fully give up on the club if Rafa were to walk because of Ashley. Last time no one outside the club (and a lot of our supporters, in fairness) bothered to acknowledge Ashley's catastrophic policies- mainly because it was Pardew who was the manager in question- but this time I think it would be extremely obvious to all that the club is poisoned beyond help whilst the current ownership remains. Last Championship season during the Jan. window we signed Leon Best for £2m and Fabrice Pancrate on a free. Was there anyone else? Clear as day now that all Ashley's intentions consist of are getting us back onto the gravy train for as little as possible, before keeping us on that train for as little as possible. Actually makes me want to top myself thinking about it (the worst part though is knowing the apathy people would/will great Benitez's revolt with). 'We cannit compete man!' Hall, Williamson, Routledge and Van Aanholt on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Don't think he's been 'screwed over' at all like. Like every manager across the 92 he'll want additional strength, but we find ourselves in the position of wanting PL players to come to a Championship side. If he gets nee budget in the summer, then he's been screwed over #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Quite simply put, Charnley and Ashley are being tight cunts. Most clubs would take no risk with their promotion push, even if it meant having players on your books who we don't want come the summer. By targetting long term, young players we are risking the short term. Do I think we will still be promoted? Yes, but why take the risk? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 We don't have much money available, I think that's the main issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Quite simply put, Charnley and Ashley are being tight cunts. Most clubs would take no risk with their promotion push, even if it meant having players on your books who we don't want come the summer. By targetting long term, young players we are risking the short term. Do I think we will still be promoted? Yes, but why take the risk? Brighton & Leeds haven't done owt either tbf. Reading have brought a couple of shit players in. Not sure it's true that most clubs would take a different approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I honestly think he's been screwed over this window. He's said in every press conference that he wanted players in, how clear it was that we needed more balance and quality. And we're coming to the end of the window so far with nowt. With the reports of Ashley's attempt at re-stamping his authority, I'm personally pretty worried for the summer if/when we go up. I think the Townsend deal will probably happen, if it doesn't you might be onto something. Obviously it's took time to iron out the deal, but that's because it's a loan deal, not sure why we are doing it that way, but it might be down to Townsend not fully committing. Any other deals like McCarthy might not happen until the summer unless Everton drop their asking price. But it seems like we are looking at decent players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Summer is the teller although Dave's right, we shouldn't be dismissive of the narrative that surrounds this just because cos' Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If Rafa doesn't get big money to spend in the summer he'll leave. It's as simple as that. We all knew from the start that he wasn't going to come here to finish 10th, and I'm assuming Ashley knows it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Genuinely think I'd fully give up on the club if Rafa were to walk because of Ashley. Last time no one outside the club (and a lot of our supporters, in fairness) bothered to acknowledge Ashley's catastrophic policies- mainly because it was Pardew who was the manager in question- but this time I think it would be extremely obvious to all that the club is poisoned beyond help whilst the current ownership remains. Last Championship season during the Jan. window we signed Leon Best for £2m and Fabrice Pancrate on a free. Was there anyone else? Clear as day now that all Ashley's intentions consist of are getting us back onto the gravy train for as little as possible, before keeping us on that train for as little as possible. Actually makes me want to top myself thinking about it (the worst part though is knowing the apathy people would/will great Benitez's revolt with). 'We cannit compete man!' You won't be alone on giving up on the club if Rafa walks in summer because of limited funds...this is Ashley's LAST chance.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Genuinely think I'd fully give up on the club if Rafa were to walk because of Ashley. Last time no one outside the club (and a lot of our supporters, in fairness) bothered to acknowledge Ashley's catastrophic policies- mainly because it was Pardew who was the manager in question- but this time I think it would be extremely obvious to all that the club is poisoned beyond help whilst the current ownership remains. Last Championship season during the Jan. window we signed Leon Best for £2m and Fabrice Pancrate on a free. Was there anyone else? Clear as day now that all Ashley's intentions consist of are getting us back onto the gravy train for as little as possible, before keeping us on that train for as little as possible. Actually makes me want to top myself thinking about it (the worst part though is knowing the apathy people would/will great Benitez's revolt with). 'We cannit compete man!' Aye, if Rafa has to leave because of Ashley that would be me done with the club like in terms of going to the game. Obviously I'll always support Newcastle but I'd cancel my season ticket straight away if Ashley fucks off Rafa. Ashley should realise how lucky he is to have a manager like Rafa in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Aye, it's over if that happens. Rafa is his last chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If Rafa doesn't get big money to spend in the summer he'll leave. It's as simple as that. We all knew from the start that he wasn't going to come here to finish 10th, and I'm assuming Ashley knows it as well. This is where the problem lies. The ambitions of Rafa Benitez and Mike Ashley couldn't be further apart. Benitez wants to challenge for European places and Cups, Ashley wants 17th and upwards and doesn't want cup competitors getting in the way. I'm pretty certain Rafa won't be here next season. He won't get anywhere near what he wants to spend to get us challenging at the top half of the PL table. He'll get us back up and then move on to a club more suited to his ambitions. He won't be short of takers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 You're pretty certain....what the fuck man, calm down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 You're pretty certain....what the f*** man, calm down We'll see. A leopard doesn't change its spots and until Rafa we've only had losers prepared to work under Ashley, except for Keegan who soon saw through him. Rafa will get us up, no doubt he'll (wrongly) feel partly responsible for our relegation but a manager of his calibre won't stick around and work under the Mike Ashley model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Just wondering though, why wouldn't Ashley back Rafa after he backed a useless manager like McClaren with big money? You can say Ashley will never change his policy but he already did when he gave that chump £80m to spend in one summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm as comfortable as I can be under Ashley TBH. They had detailed discussions, Rafa was happy to sign up. Of course there's a chance Ashley might have a brain attack but pointless worrying about that all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 We all know if Rafa left there would be a few fat cockney bastard get out of our club chants, some Rafa in Ashley out banners and then the next home game there will be 48k at SJP clapping, wearing their wonga tops and buying burgers at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Just wondering though, why wouldn't Ashley back Rafa after he backed a useless manager like McClaren with big money? You can say Ashley will never change his policy but he already did when he gave that chump £80m to spend in one summer. that money came from sky tv and having no net spend previously. fat cunt ain't gonna back any manager like that again until we've stayed in the premier league another couple of seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 We all know if Rafa left there would be a few fat cockney b****** get out of our club chants, some Rafa in Ashley out banners and then the next home game there will be 48k at SJP clapping, wearing their wonga tops and buying burgers at half time. I reckon it would be the final straw for an awful lot of people. Rafa Benitez is our best chance of this club doing anything notable in the future and more importantly he gives us hope and something to believe in. We even started acting like a football club again. If he were to walk because Ashley goes back on previous promises I think you'd be looking at upwards of 20k people simply packing up and calling it a day. I actually think that would have happened in the summer if he hadn't agreed to stay on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 We all know if Rafa left there would be a few fat cockney b****** get out of our club chants, some Rafa in Ashley out banners and then the next home game there will be 48k at SJP clapping, wearing their wonga tops and buying burgers at half time. I reckon it would be the final straw for an awful lot of people. Rafa Benitez is our best chance of this club doing anything notable in the future and more importantly he gives us hope and something to believe in. We even started acting like a football club again. If he were to walk because Ashley goes back on previous promises I think you'd be looking at upwards of 20k people simply packing up and calling it a day. I actually think that would have happened in the summer if he hadn't agreed to stay on. Agree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm as comfortable as I can be under Ashley TBH. They had detailed discussions, Rafa was happy to sign up. Of course there's a chance Ashley might have a brain attack but pointless worrying about that all the time. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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