Guest ElCid Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 If you're going off league position we're f***ing mint. Obviously not if you can't beat so many teams on your home patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It's painfully obvious that the system he uses works really well away but is largely pish at home, unless we take the lead within 15 minutes. Not sure why he's so totally against changing it, like. It's cost us way too many points this season; we could virtually be mathematically up if we hadn't cocked up so many home bankers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 If you're going off league position we're f***ing mint. Obviously not if you can't beat so many teams on your home patch. Just being facetious, it's a good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Nowt new there. Everyone knows we needed strengthening in a couple of positions in January. That's nowt to do with the negative tactics at home though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 If you're going off league position we're f***ing mint. Obviously not if you can't beat so many teams on your home patch. Just being facetious, it's a good post. It's ok just me being grumpy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It was funny when Ritchie pressed high and waved for us to press with him, the tactics don't allow it! It's not tactics, are you saying Ritchie was allowed to get forwards but nobody else was? He was screaming at Dummett to get up behind him to defend further up the pitch and he was getting at Colback to start marking people rather than fresh air. He also had a go at Shelvey at one point when he played a ridiculous pass out for a goal kick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Nowt new there. Everyone knows we needed strengthening in a couple of positions in January. That's nowt to do with the negative tactics at home though We've scored 38 goals in 18 league home games, like, and have some of the highest possession & shots. I'd hardly say we're negative. Inefficient & inconsistent, definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Nowt new there. Everyone knows we needed strengthening in a couple of positions in January. That's nowt to do with the negative tactics at home though We've scored 38 goals in 18 league home games, like, and have some of the highest possession & shots. I'd hardly say we're negative. Inefficient & inconsistent, definitely. Stats can hide a multitude of sins. According to the stats we should have got battered at Huddersfield last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It was funny when Ritchie pressed high and waved for us to press with him, the tactics don't allow it! It's not tactics, are you saying Ritchie was allowed to get forwards but nobody else was? He was screaming at Dummett to get up behind him to defend further up the pitch and he was getting at Colback to start marking people rather than fresh air. He also had a go at Shelvey at one point when he played a ridiculous pass out for a goal kick. It was tactics, Ritchie wasn't supposed to go charging forward like that (although it was the right thing to do imo if the rest had the bottle to follow) . Interesting though as a while back people wrere saying Mbemba got dropped because of not following instructions V Wolves, todays instrustions seemed to balls over the top through the middle for Gayle (re Shelvey pass out for goal kick) which didn't work and there were a lot more of those passes today. It seems like you can tell within 5 mins at home what the plan is, long diagonals or whatever and it's bloody obvious and whats worse is that we just keep on hammering at that tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Nowt new there. Everyone knows we needed strengthening in a couple of positions in January. That's nowt to do with the negative tactics at home though We've scored 38 goals in 18 league home games, like, and have some of the highest possession & shots. I'd hardly say we're negative. Inefficient & inconsistent, definitely. Stats can hide a multitude of sins. According to the stats we should have got battered at Huddersfield last week. Over a whole season? Plus, didn't they have less shots on target than us? I'll concede that the football in the second half of the season hasn't been to the standard of some of the stuff we played in the first, but I don't think it's down to negativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Nowt new there. Everyone knows we needed strengthening in a couple of positions in January. That's nowt to do with the negative tactics at home though We've scored 38 goals in 18 league home games, like, and have some of the highest possession & shots. I'd hardly say we're negative. Inefficient & inconsistent, definitely. Stats can hide a multitude of sins. According to the stats we should have got battered at Huddersfield last week. Over a whole season? Plus, didn't they have less shots on target than us? I'll concede that the football in the second half of the season hasn't been to the standard of some of the stuff we played in the first, but I don't think it's down to negativity. We've lost 5 times at home already this season. Last time we went up we lost 4 games in total, home and away. Whichever way you want to look at it we've been poor at home this season, in terms of performances and results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDonis Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Seems like some of you are determined to berate Rafa regardless. I don't remember anyone jumping on him like this in his first season for us, and we were thirty points off the top. Fair enough. But personally I don't think you'd be in this strong a position if he wasn't your manager personally, regardless of what happened last time you were in the Champo. You had a team almost tailor made for footie at that level then and some leaders and winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Seems like some of you are determined to berate Rafa regardless. I don't remember anyone jumping on him like this in his first season for us, and we were thirty points off the top. Fair enough. But personally I don't think you'd be in this strong a position if he wasn't your manager personally, regardless of what happened last time you were in the Champo. You had a team almost tailor made for footie at that level then and some leaders and winners. He's great. I've never known a manager get support like him with the possible exception of Keegan but he's not beyond criticism and our home record is poor this season. He's partly to blame for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 delooded jordies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 That season is incomparable, the competition is a lot stronger this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 delooded jordies We need to know our place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Seems like some of you are determined to berate Rafa regardless. I don't remember anyone jumping on him like this in his first season for us, and we were thirty points off the top. Fair enough. But personally I don't think you'd be in this strong a position if he wasn't your manager personally, regardless of what happened last time you were in the Champo. You had a team almost tailor made for footie at that level then and some leaders and winners. Out of interest, what was he like for you when you played at home? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Seems like some of you are determined to berate Rafa regardless. I don't remember anyone jumping on him like this in his first season for us, and we were thirty points off the top. Fair enough. But personally I don't think you'd be in this strong a position if he wasn't your manager personally, regardless of what happened last time you were in the Champo. You had a team almost tailor made for footie at that level then and some leaders and winners. I don't think we'd be in this position without him becausewe wouldn't have this strength of squad. Could this squad be used better, I reckon it could and there is the paradox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 That season is incomparable, the competition is a lot stronger this year. No it isn't. The likes of Huddersfield have gone from relegation fodder to promotion contenders overnight without actually doing anything. It's a poor league and nobody can convince me otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It was funny when Ritchie pressed high and waved for us to press with him, the tactics don't allow it! It's not tactics, are you saying Ritchie was allowed to get forwards but nobody else was? He was screaming at Dummett to get up behind him to defend further up the pitch and he was getting at Colback to start marking people rather than fresh air. He also had a go at Shelvey at one point when he played a ridiculous pass out for a goal kick. It was tactics, Ritchie wasn't supposed to go charging forward like that (although it was the right thing to do imo if the rest had the bottle to follow) . Interesting though as a while back people wrere saying Mbemba got dropped because of not following instructions V Wolves, todays instrustions seemed to balls over the top through the middle for Gayle (re Shelvey pass out for goal kick) which didn't work and there were a lot more of those passes today. It seems like you can tell within 5 mins at home what the plan is, long diagonals or whatever and it's bloody obvious and whats worse is that we just keep on hammering at that tactic. You're right, the long diagonal balls are a tactic, and we play a relatively cautious formation on Rafa's instructions as well. I don't think he trusts these players to get a result playing a more attacking game personally. Even if it was his style - and it's not - I can't say I blame him. We manage to give away soft goals even when we play defensively. Our shit passing isn't down to his tactics btw, he played a similar formation with Liverpool but they passed it around a lot better. Too many of our players just aren't good enough or lack balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 That season is incomparable, the competition is a lot stronger this year. No it isn't. The likes of Huddersfield have gone from relegation fodder to promotion contenders overnight without actually doing anything. It's a poor league and nobody can convince me otherwise. Aye, it's a poor league in comparison to the PL - but it's much more competitive and the teams are stronger this year than it was when we were last in it. Huddersfield have actually made a lot of changes to their team from last season, so you're wide of the mark there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It was funny when Ritchie pressed high and waved for us to press with him, the tactics don't allow it! It's not tactics, are you saying Ritchie was allowed to get forwards but nobody else was? He was screaming at Dummett to get up behind him to defend further up the pitch and he was getting at Colback to start marking people rather than fresh air. He also had a go at Shelvey at one point when he played a ridiculous pass out for a goal kick. It was tactics, Ritchie wasn't supposed to go charging forward like that (although it was the right thing to do imo if the rest had the bottle to follow) . Interesting though as a while back people wrere saying Mbemba got dropped because of not following instructions V Wolves, todays instrustions seemed to balls over the top through the middle for Gayle (re Shelvey pass out for goal kick) which didn't work and there were a lot more of those passes today. It seems like you can tell within 5 mins at home what the plan is, long diagonals or whatever and it's bloody obvious and whats worse is that we just keep on hammering at that tactic. You're right, the long diagonal balls are a tactic, and we play a relatively cautious formation on Rafa's instructions as well. I don't think he trusts these players to get a result playing a more attacking game personally. Even if it was his style - and it's not - I can't say I blame him. We manage to give away soft goals even when we play defensively. Our s*** passing isn't down to his tactics btw, he played a similar formation with Liverpool but they passed it around a lot better. Too many of our players just aren't good enough or lack balls. Load of crap to me. Get at teams when we are at home with what we have in this division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It was funny when Ritchie pressed high and waved for us to press with him, the tactics don't allow it! It's not tactics, are you saying Ritchie was allowed to get forwards but nobody else was? He was screaming at Dummett to get up behind him to defend further up the pitch and he was getting at Colback to start marking people rather than fresh air. He also had a go at Shelvey at one point when he played a ridiculous pass out for a goal kick. It was tactics, Ritchie wasn't supposed to go charging forward like that (although it was the right thing to do imo if the rest had the bottle to follow) . Interesting though as a while back people wrere saying Mbemba got dropped because of not following instructions V Wolves, todays instrustions seemed to balls over the top through the middle for Gayle (re Shelvey pass out for goal kick) which didn't work and there were a lot more of those passes today. It seems like you can tell within 5 mins at home what the plan is, long diagonals or whatever and it's bloody obvious and whats worse is that we just keep on hammering at that tactic. You're right, the long diagonal balls are a tactic, and we play a relatively cautious formation on Rafa's instructions as well. I don't think he trusts these players to get a result playing a more attacking game personally. Even if it was his style - and it's not - I can't say I blame him. We manage to give away soft goals even when we play defensively. Our s*** passing isn't down to his tactics btw, he played a similar formation with Liverpool but they passed it around a lot better. Too many of our players just aren't good enough or lack balls. Load of crap to me. Get at teams when we are at home with what we have in this division. Simplistic to say the least. What would be your line up to get at teams in this division? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDonis Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Seems like some of you are determined to berate Rafa regardless. I don't remember anyone jumping on him like this in his first season for us, and we were thirty points off the top. Fair enough. But personally I don't think you'd be in this strong a position if he wasn't your manager personally, regardless of what happened last time you were in the Champo. You had a team almost tailor made for footie at that level then and some leaders and winners. Out of interest, what was he like for you when you played at home? Good. We blew teams away quite often. But we had a team that could do that, especially when Torres arrived. We pressed and squeezed teams high up the pitch and and played him in. Not many could match our intensity. But it meant we were vulnerable to teams who could counter, especially as Carra and Sami Hyppia were hardly pacy CBs. I remember Villa when they had Agbonlahor and a few other pacy guys beating us a few times. Rafa also built a midfield of Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard (a bit better than Shelvey, Colback and Diame I admit...) which meant we always had control. We dropped points, usually draws, which did cost us at a time when Man Utd seem to win every fucking game in the 93rd minute. Our intensity would drop, or Rafa might rotate with a European game in mind, understandably sometimes, as our squad wasn't as deep as others. But generally I remember the odd insipid away performance being more of a problem than home form. But it cost us. Rafa is not title winning manager (though he won two titles in Spain.) Thing is, Rafa turns everyone into a tactical expert. He sets such a great store by it. And gets it right so often and gets the plaudits. But it means when the tactics go wrong he gets the crap. And tactics only work if players are able to carry them out. And players are fallible. These debates were common when he was at LFC. Just let them off the leash, some would say. But you need a tactical plan, said others. Rafa's always got a plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts