p_cowell141 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 If that's the case, and we aren't 'stepping up' our interest, surely that is evidence to suggest that until players leave, there will be no new signings. Totally brainless way of doing business. And yes, you can say maybe he doesn't want to come here. But given Benitez mentioned him directly, and there is obviously a lot of work done to assess a player's interest before approaching them formally, it's unlikely to be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Charnley will be sitting, staring at the online bank account, waiting for the TV money to pop in before he goes and makes an offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Their incompetence is often so obvious that you have difficulty believing that it's not deliberate tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I wonder who Ashley will blame for the failure of offloading all the talentless wonders we have on our books? The ones preventing us from spending at the moment. It can't be Rafa's duty to find their new clubs and sell them. Surely Rafa has the right to be furious that Ashley failed to create the funds needed to strengthen the squad from selling the players he's identified as surplus? No matter which way Ashley tries to play things around spending it always comes back to him and his way to doing things causing the mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I don't do twitter, but when I searched the club name, some people on it seem to think Fenerbahce are about to sign Soldado. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Their incompetence is often so obvious that you have difficulty believing that it's not deliberate tbh. This. It's as if they've had a private meeting behind the managers' back where they've decided to ensure we get none of Rafas main targets. Now where have I heard that one before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 There's a lot of speculation here (https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/08/premier-league-2017-18-preview-newcastle-united), but... The manager thought he had deals arranged for, among others, Abraham and Manchester City’s Willy Caballero (who ended up at Chelsea) but Newcastle’s negotiating team could not get them over the line. Part of this is said to be down to the increasing influence of Justin Barnes – an abrasive lawyer and long-term Ashley business ally – who has become heavily involved in the club. Where Benítez has always had a decent relationship with Lee Charnley, the managing director, he now has the added complication of Barnes to factor into the equation. Charnley, Barnes and Ashley have apparently been deeply unimpressed by this summer’s crazy, heavily inflated transfer market and the suspicion is Newcastle are waiting to do some key business – ie signing the high-calibre striker their manager so desperately craves – until late in August when they hope, perhaps optimistically, that prices will drop. Before Carr left his post he was telling clubs that Newcastle would spend big this summer and, initially, it was thought Benítez would be given, at the very least, £70m. That may still be the case but Ashley is notoriously prone to changing his mind – and is perhaps disappointed that no one has swept in to buy the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The problem is, is that due to the ridiculous amount of money in football - NUFC's worth increases by the day. Players being valued at 10x their normal value means the price of everything goes up. Ashley can continue to run us as a worthless club wheeling and dealing with shitty players, knowing full well that his investment is safe. We're stuck in a rut with the biggest arsehole around and there is no end in sight. As others have said, our only hope is that we're taken over within the next 12-24 months otherwise eventually Rafa will get sick of it and leave. Sadly, I doubt that'll happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The problem is, is that due to the ridiculous amount of money in football - NUFC's worth increases by the day. Players being valued at 10x their normal value means the price of everything goes up. Ashley can continue to run us as a worthless club wheeling and dealing with shitty players, knowing full well that his investment is safe. We're stuck in a rut with the biggest arsehole around and there is no end in sight. As others have said, our only hope is that we're taken over within the next 12-24 months otherwise eventually Rafa will get sick of it and leave. Sadly, I doubt that'll happen. Yep. I'm pretty sceptical that Ashley even wants out. I think he's happy to carry on as we are, he must be making money from the club (for a start all the free advertising, plus things like outsourcing the catering/club shop, selling off land behind the Gallowgate etc). And I don't for one second believe there was anything in the stories of Chinese investment, felt like a smokescreen at the time and even more so now. If we were ever going to be sold we'd wake up one morning and it would be happening. Sadly I can't see that day coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Waiting and hoping Sums this amateur lot up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The problem is, is that due to the ridiculous amount of money in football - NUFC's worth increases by the day. Players being valued at 10x their normal value means the price of everything goes up. Ashley can continue to run us as a worthless club wheeling and dealing with shitty players, knowing full well that his investment is safe. We're stuck in a rut with the biggest arsehole around and there is no end in sight. As others have said, our only hope is that we're taken over within the next 12-24 months otherwise eventually Rafa will get sick of it and leave. Sadly, I doubt that'll happen. All true but we've known this for many years now. Ashley simply sees the club as a medium to advertise his business free on a global stage. When we play Man Utd, Arsenal, or any Premier League club for that matter, it's broadcast around the world. Companies would pay ludicrous amounts to have their brand splashed all over the stadium the way Sports Direct is. Keeping the club in the Premier League at minimal outlay is his only concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Nah man he's changed. Or Rafa will make him see the light. Or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 More our budget: http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/08/report-everton-newcastle-and-sunderland-in-battle-for-paul-smyth/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Would be an unfashionable signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Why couldn't we be lucky and get fucking sold, to fucking anyone, I'd take my chances, can't get much worse...Best chance ever to make something good of this club under Rafa and his willingness to commit to a long term project. Instead the cunts make it as hard as possible, damn rats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 There's a lot of speculation here (https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/08/premier-league-2017-18-preview-newcastle-united), but... The manager thought he had deals arranged for, among others, Abraham and Manchester City’s Willy Caballero (who ended up at Chelsea) but Newcastle’s negotiating team could not get them over the line. Part of this is said to be down to the increasing influence of Justin Barnes – an abrasive lawyer and long-term Ashley business ally – who has become heavily involved in the club. Where Benítez has always had a decent relationship with Lee Charnley, the managing director, he now has the added complication of Barnes to factor into the equation. Charnley, Barnes and Ashley have apparently been deeply unimpressed by this summer’s crazy, heavily inflated transfer market and the suspicion is Newcastle are waiting to do some key business – ie <b> signing the high-calibre striker their manager so desperately craves – until late in August when they hope, perhaps optimistically, that prices will drop </b>. Before Carr left his post he was telling clubs that Newcastle would spend big this summer and, initially, it was thought Benítez would be given, at the very least, £70m. That may still be the case but Ashley is notoriously prone to changing his mind – and is perhaps disappointed that no one has swept in to buy the club. They'll rise in late August, if anything, the absolute fuckwits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 There's a lot of speculation here (https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/08/premier-league-2017-18-preview-newcastle-united), but... The manager thought he had deals arranged for, among others, Abraham and Manchester City’s Willy Caballero (who ended up at Chelsea) but Newcastle’s negotiating team could not get them over the line. Part of this is said to be down to the increasing influence of Justin Barnes – an abrasive lawyer and long-term Ashley business ally – who has become heavily involved in the club. Where Benítez has always had a decent relationship with Lee Charnley, the managing director, he now has the added complication of Barnes to factor into the equation. Charnley, Barnes and Ashley have apparently been deeply unimpressed by this summer’s crazy, heavily inflated transfer market and the suspicion is Newcastle are waiting to do some key business – ie <b> signing the high-calibre striker their manager so desperately craves – until late in August when they hope, perhaps optimistically, that prices will drop </b>. Before Carr left his post he was telling clubs that Newcastle would spend big this summer and, initially, it was thought Benítez would be given, at the very least, £70m. That may still be the case but Ashley is notoriously prone to changing his mind – and is perhaps disappointed that no one has swept in to buy the club. They'll rise in late August, if anything, the absolute fuckwits Aye - not sure where they got that idea from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Ok prices in general have been insane, but I don't see where the issue is with paying 15 million Euro's for Lucas Perez, that's not insane money IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I think the top brass at Newcastle are hoping that prices go back to £5-10m for a player, and that clubs can then just keep pocketing £100m+ each year in TV revenue. They don't realise that the thing which will determine whether or not this continues isn't the other clubs' desire to make a profit, it's their desire to fucking win something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 20-25mil on Perez and Gibbs would be money very well spent IMO. Fucking ridiculous we're falling behind still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Mark Douglas said on talksport earlier that wages were the issue and not necessarily capital to buy. Suggests we may be close to wages / turnover ? And need to reduce that to bring more on? While I don't doubt there's truth in there somewhere around him being dicked about, I still have confidence we will sign a few decent players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Part of this is said to be down to the increasing influence of Justin Barnes – an abrasive lawyer and long-term Ashley business ally – who has become heavily involved in the club. Where Benítez has always had a decent relationship with Lee Charnley, the managing director, he now has the added complication of Barnes to factor into the equation. Charnley, Barnes and Ashley have apparently been deeply unimpressed by this summer’s crazy, heavily inflated transfer market and the suspicion is Newcastle are waiting to do some key business – ie signing the high-calibre striker their manager so desperately craves – until late in August when they hope, perhaps optimistically, that prices will drop. What a flawless plan, can't see how that could possibly backfire and us end up with nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Mark Douglas said on talksport earlier that wages were the issue and not necessarily capital to buy. Suggests we may be close to wages / turnover ? And need to reduce that to bring more on? While I don't doubt there's truth in there somewhere around him being dicked about, I still have confidence we will sign a few decent players No such thing as wages to turn over In relation to any hard and fast rules, Deloitte suggest less than 70% is sufficient but as we have no salary cap In the league the ratio is nothing but a mere benchmark. As usual it's just another excuse to hide the the chronic lack of investment and non existent ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Whatever happens I'm glad there's only 1 more month of this crap I'm fucking exhausted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Like f***ing waiting outside the night club for two hours after it has closed, hoping that a stunning female walks out alone, horny and ready to walk with you home. It aint gonna happen later because it's late.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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