TRon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Except no one will pay £20m for Shelvey. ...and no one would pay above £6m for Given, or anything for Hatem Ben Arfa. Unless you're the one that's trying to sell, rather than a club coming in for them, you don't gauge the value of a player to your team based in any way on how many people want to buy them in January. West Brom are trying to sell Evans, but he'll still fetch a decent price because there are clubs who will compete for his signature. If there was more interest in Shelvey then we could ask for more. Or if he was doing a better job, we could keep him and use him. It's all going to hinge on what Rafa thinks is the best way forward at the end of the day. Pointless selling unless we can use the money to improve the team, so that has to be the logic behind the sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Sigurdsson 50m Mangala 46m We had a part to play in the stupid fees. Andy Carroll for 35m was in truth mental at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Except no one will pay £20m for Shelvey. ...and no one would pay above £6m for Given, or anything for Hatem Ben Arfa. Unless you're the one that's trying to sell, rather than a club coming in for them, you don't gauge the value of a player to your team based in any way on how many people want to buy them in January. West Brom are trying to sell Evans, but he'll still fetch a decent price because there are clubs who will compete for his signature. If there was more interest in Shelvey then we could ask for more. Or if he was doing a better job, we could keep him and use him. It's all going to hinge on what Rafa thinks is the best way forward at the end of the day. Pointless selling unless we can use the money to improve the team, so that has to be the logic behind the sale. Yeah, if £12m is the only offer and there are no other bids then I wouldn't sell at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? Andre Gray isn't like, arguably Michael Keane as well. Put it this way, Jay Rodriguez was £12m, and yes he's a striker and it's slightly different, but those players above are on the new scale. Shelvey on that scale as anything less than a £16m player is outrageous imo. It all boils down to what said players bring to the table and Shelvey brings not an awful lot to ours. The only reason he is talked of as a creative force is because we are so shit on that front, or rather those competing for a midfield slot alongside him are. This making him look like our only option on that front. Even Merino doesn’t create much, but I put that down to more those around him just not being good enough and I include Shelvey in that rather than he himself. Put him in a team of better players though... can the same be said of Shelvey? Again if I was to have 20m and could choose between Shelvey or Gray, I’d pick the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Clucas and Hughes are better players than Shelvey - Cork I'm not so sure about. This is all irrelevant anyway, if Rafa is happy to get rid of him then we should do so. I doubt he would sanction a transfer if Shelvey was of any use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Clucas and Hughes are better players than Shelvey - Cork I'm not so sure about. This is all irrelevant anyway, if Rafa is happy to get rid of him then we should do so. I doubt he would sanction a transfer if Shelvey was of any use. Think I'll just end the conversation there and just agree to disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I think you have mixed up Demarai with Andre. Think again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Jonas at Benfica looks useful. Scored 23 goals already this season Willian Jose only has 9 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey is a luxury player no doubt, but for a fringe (ex-) England player 12m seems off the mark given todays prices and future TV deals driving prices even higher. He'd fit better in a dominating attacking team, sitting deep and seeing the space is his forte. Even then he'd be a bit of a liability when possession turns - especially on counters. So even in the right team it seems he's a bit of a luxury. It annoys me when I see him pointing this way and that, it looks to me like he's saying 'I don't want the ball right now' and he walks close to an opposition player to make sure the ball doesn't come, yet there is frequently space about him and he could point and move instead of just walking. Reminds me of fucking Colback when he does that, Colback was the master of disappearing in midfield when he needed a minute or two of rest deliberately getting imbetween players. Saw some people calling him thick, disagree with that - I think he's a pretty intelligent player, the problem is his emotions. They make him thick when he loses it, which is too frequent. I seriously doubt he'll ever play for England again but even then he's got to be worth more than a paltry 12m. Prices are insane these days but they are what they are. Can't sell without a replacement, and I'm sure Rafe wouldn't, but Mike will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka He plays for Watford dummy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 He’s basically a nastier and uglier Viana without the silky touches. Great vision, great passer of a ball (note OF A BALL), but too slow, too immobile and too lethargic to become anything other than a luxury player who needs lots of time and space to stamp what limited authority he has on a game. I’d love to see him and players like him in our game move abroad to see how they would fare, I actually think he’d stand out and become a better player for it. It may improve his England chances as well. Iniesta’s replacement at Barca? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. That's Demarai Gray, who has definitely given Leicester more than Shelvey gives to us recently, but I was talking about Andre Gray at Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I think you have mixed up Demarai with Andre. Think again Oh well in that case... Shelvey it is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka He plays for Watford, dummy. Fixed your posts, daft shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I think you have mixed up Demarai with Andre. Think again Oh well in that case... Shelvey it is! Brilliant! I'm glad you've seen the light, HTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It’s a kind of gray light still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka He plays for Watford, dummy. Fixed your posts, daft s****. Hey dummy. I responded to HTT's post, as he clearly had the wrong Gray, so it made perfect sense. Sorry you got whooshed. Try to be smarter next time. Ha ha ha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka He plays for Watford, dummy. Fixed your posts, daft s****. Hey dummy. I responded to HTT's post, as he clearly had the wrong Gray, so it made perfect sense. Sorry you got whooshed. Try to be smarter next time. Ha ha ha! I just assumed you'd played along and were also talking about Demarai. My mistake, I wrongly assumed that were being as clueless about football as you normally are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. Clucas and Hughes are better players than Shelvey - Cork I'm not so sure about. This is all irrelevant anyway, if Rafa is happy to get rid of him then we should do so. I doubt he would sanction a transfer if Shelvey was of any use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? You clearly haven't watched much of Andre Gray then I know who I’d rather have for 20m or under... You may, it doesn't make it right though. I think Gray gives Leicester far more to their cause, especially going forward, than Shelvey does to ours, zero goals, zero assists or 1 assist whatever it is. Red card waiting to happen. Shagged after 60 minutes. Etc. Etc. I can say with complete confidence that that Gray has done absolutely nothing for Leicester. Aye, Disco's got a point like. #votekaka He plays for Watford, dummy. Fixed your posts, daft s****. Hey dummy. I responded to HTT's post, as he clearly had the wrong Gray, so it made perfect sense. Sorry you got whooshed. Try to be smarter next time. Ha ha ha! I just assumed you'd played along and were also talking about Demarai. My mistake, I wrongly assumed that were being as clueless about football as you normally are. No worries man. No offence taken! Just wanted to make sure my brilliant gag got more credit. I'm so underrated man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Don't want to get rid of Shelvey really, always looks for a forward pass and we're boring enough as it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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