Figures 1-0 Football Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 If we won either cup, I'd fully expect us to get promoted from this league anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I get that the fans now have a lot more optimism and hope long term. But I do wonder how this poll would have looked under Pardew/Carver/McClaren. If the options were staying up or winning a trophy. God forbid we ever won a trophy under Pardew or Carver, they'd be immortalised forever. I'd rather we ended up in the conference league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Find it absolutely mental that a supporter of a club without silverware for so long would choose a promotion over an actual cup. Does not compute with moi. Football should be about winning trophies (not the Championship). Being able to get thumped of Sky's big boys wouldn't bring as much joy as a cup win. Aye but it isn't. There are different trophies with different levels of gravitas. And winning the league cup as a Championship team is just pointless. There's no pride in winning a tournament in which half the teams barely even try. It'd be slightly different with the FA Cup, but the bigger teams still don't really give a shit until later rounds. Just seems really pointless being the shitty club that fluked a cup. I want to win trophies because we're the fucking best, not because no-one else could be arsed. Of course there'd be pride in winning a tournament. Sunderland are still massively proud of 73, as we are of 55, as Wigan will be in 50 years of the Ben Watson episode. In 10 years time I would much rather look back on being at Wembley for a cup win than middling about in the 'best league in the world'. Take your point about Birmingham, its probably not worth it for the league cup.The FA Cup though definitely. Tbf this shouldn't be answered with Rafa in mind, we could easily go up and watch him fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Apparently the last time we beat Wolves in the Cup was 1951........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nah it was last night mate. 2-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubestationatmidnight Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nah it was last night mate. 2-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nah it was last night mate. 2-0. Ha ha! Bastard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 No pride in a cup win because of weakened opponents ? Fuck off man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The answer for me is promotion but I would be lying if I said winning a cup wouldn't be one of the best days ever, and arguably the greatest day as a Newcastle fan. But I do take people like Hans' point about the circumstances having to be right. It's difficult to imagine but either winning it on penalties, or in the way that Birmingham did, would take the shine off it somewhat. Like others have said, I want us to win a cup because we're fucking brilliant. Doing so either at the expense of the club's long term future (which is the hypothetical being discussed here), or doing so by fluking it in the final... would feel a touch anti-climactic. Part of me thinks the above paragraph might make me an absolute joke of a football fan. But having absolutely gasped for success for so many years, I don't want to quench that thirst with a sip of water; I want ice cold, freshly squeezed juice from the finest Floridian orange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 If seeing your team finally win something after all the money miles and heartache invested isn't as good as it gets then what is? Being mid table in the premiership and trips to palace west brom etc and the odd win over manure or Liverpool? Says it all about how you see our club. Happy to sacrifice the big time for the consolation of a cup. Coventry won the FA cup some time ago, what a f***ing glory. We've got Rafa man, stop acting like a Crystal Palace fan. AKA Stop thinking small time. Why win a trophy when you can finish in the top 8? I don't get the "long-term" argument. We got promoted in what.. 2012? Had a decent season or 2 in the league. Consolidated in the league. Got into Europe. Then some pretty average season, then a couple relegation battles. Looking back i'd rather we won the league cup then spent the last 5 years still in the Championship. IMO as long as Ashley is at the club i'll take a cup all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 No pride in a cup win because of weakened opponents ? Fuck off man Totally, you may as well give up on football in it's current state if that's what you think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Think if we actually are in a chance of winning the League Cup, we'll probably be promoted anyway. Would still stick by my earlier answer and take promotion back to the Premier League than a cup win right now; short term pain, long term gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 If we win the league cup and the Championship.. do we win.. the double? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Think if we actually are in a chance of winning the League Cup, we'll probably be promoted anyway. Would still stick by my earlier answer and take promotion back to the Premier League than a cup win right now; short term pain, long term gain. And if Rafa gets pissed off with the regime and leaves within 2-3 years? Back to bog standard (or worse) managers without any great cup winning memories to look back on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Think if we actually are in a chance of winning the League Cup, we'll probably be promoted anyway. Would still stick by my earlier answer and take promotion back to the Premier League than a cup win right now; short term pain, long term gain. And if Rafa gets p*ssed off with the regime and leaves within 2-3 years? Back to bog standard (or worse) managers without any great cup winning memories to look back on? The regime wouldn't dare do something to annoy Rafa. Yes, they're stupid cunts, but they arent so stupid to not realise if they do something idiotic with Rafa the fans will be in absolute uproar. There's a positivity around the club and they won't want to ruin that. I'd rather us be in the Premier League, being able to attract players of a higher calibre which will give us a chance to challenge for further silverware under Rafa. A League Cup win hasn't exactly done wonders for Birmingham City, or clubs of that ilk that have won one of the cups and are now lingering in the second or even third tiers. Fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The regime wouldn't dare do something [bad] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The regime wouldn't dare do something [bad] Bit of a contrast to what I actually said. They wouldn't, with all the positivity around the club, piss off Rafa, as that positivity will completely evaporate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Yeah, there's absolutely no evidence of them doing anything so monumentally stupid or anything like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I just don't think there's another Xisco/Gonzalez or Kinnear situation around the corner, or a change of transfer policy anytime soon while Benitez is here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I sincerely hope you're right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 What are people expecting if/when we get promoted? Genuine question like. I think the best we can really hope for in the medium term is 5th or 6th and I'd trade that for the FA Cup any day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We don't get promoted this year or next we're not winning shit for ages because I imagine Rafa departs and I'm not really sure what happens after that. Getting out of the championship the first time is absolutely crucial to this club's future and that includes Rafa's vision for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 FA Cup yes. League cup no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmoset Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We don't get promoted this year or next we're not winning s*** for ages because I imagine Rafa departs and I'm not really sure what happens after that. Getting out of the championship the first time is absolutely crucial to this club's future and that includes Rafa's vision for the club. Why would Rafa be so much more likely to depart us if we won the fa cup and narrowly lost a playoff final than if we were promoted? Surely he'd stick around an extra year in this hypothetical? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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