henke Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I think it's totally unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'm a fan of expected goals but it's value depends on the nature of the game. Like other stats, it does not show game state, and many teams will not bother getting the ball forward and creating chances when already ahead. An expected goals of "0.1" is fine if you score early on with that chance and defend well enough for the remainder of the game. It doesn't mean that the other team defended well either to give up just "0.1". In other situations though, it can be useful. If you remember the Bayern vs. Atleti CL semi, Bayern absolutely hammered them but simply didn't score. It was not a "defensive masterclass" or any of the other Atleti cliches available to pundits. Pep got a lot of flak from them for losing the tie and not winning the CL at Bayern, but the manager can only set the team up to open up the opposition. It's then on the players and the run of the ball. Another advantage of xG is that it lets you know which strikers are on a simple hot streak where everything goes in and which ones are likely to continue scoring, i.e., by taking many shots from good positions, like Vardy during that scoring run of his. The latest candidate for "he's just on a hot streak" is Josh King. xG in the days of Pardew would have strongly suggested that our fifth place was a fluke and was unlikely to be repeat the following season. Of course, good pundits would have noticed this without stats, but we don't get good pundits these days, we get media-friendly bland ones chosen because they say nothing controversial, especially nothing non-PC, and look good in open shirts. You would never get one that looks like Jimmy Hill or Brian Moore. I've got much more faith in xG than the shallow knee-jerk punditry on MOTD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 These stats are useful for seeing which results can be expected to regress to the mean. Someone scoring a bunch of 30 yard screamers won't keep it up but someone tapping in goals every other game can be expected to keep it up. You can break it down to every facet of the game. In other sports I think it's extremely useful, in football less so because football is far too dynamic to break it down this way. A team analysis would be more useful and in that sense, goal difference has always been extremely useful in identifying teams that are getting more points than their level would suggest. Of course, there aren't enough matches for the sample size to be big enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'm a fan of expected goals but it's value depends on the nature of the game. Like other stats, it does not show game state, and many teams will not bother getting the ball forward and creating chances when already ahead. An expected goals of "0.1" is fine if you score early on with that chance and defend well enough for the remainder of the game. It doesn't mean that the other team defended well either to give up just "0.1". In other situations though, it can be useful. If you remember the Bayern vs. Atleti CL semi, Bayern absolutely hammered them but simply didn't score. It was not a "defensive masterclass" or any of the other Atleti cliches available to pundits. Pep got a lot of flak from them for losing the tie and not winning the CL at Bayern, but the manager can only set the team up to open up the opposition. It's then on the players and the run of the ball. Another advantage of xG is that it lets you know which strikers are on a simple hot streak where everything goes in and which ones are likely to continue scoring, i.e., by taking many shots from good positions, like Vardy during that scoring run of his. The latest candidate for "he's just on a hot streak" is Josh King. xG in the days of Pardew would have strongly suggested that our fifth place was a fluke and was unlikely to be repeat the following season. Of course, good pundits would have noticed this without stats, but we don't get good pundits these days, we get media-friendly bland ones chosen because they say nothing controversial, especially nothing non-PC, and look good in open shirts. You would never get one that looks like Jimmy Hill or Brian Moore. I've got much more faith in xG than the shallow knee-jerk punditry on MOTD. Noice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why did Fletcher move from WBA to Stoke? 'Money ? Would've been a good signing for us. He'd have been a very underwhelming signing for us like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Don't trust keepers with two first names Or anyone with parents that can't spell Matthew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why did Fletcher move from WBA to Stoke? 'Money ? Would've been a good signing for us. He'd have been a very underwhelming signing for us like Yeah I dunno what Dropout is on about there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 49% of their goals last season from set pieces, f***ing hell. They're a Sigurdsson away from the Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I'm a fan of expected goals but it's value depends on the nature of the game. Like other stats, it does not show game state, and many teams will not bother getting the ball forward and creating chances when already ahead. An expected goals of "0.1" is fine if you score early on with that chance and defend well enough for the remainder of the game. It doesn't mean that the other team defended well either to give up just "0.1". In other situations though, it can be useful. If you remember the Bayern vs. Atleti CL semi, Bayern absolutely hammered them but simply didn't score. It was not a "defensive masterclass" or any of the other Atleti cliches available to pundits. Pep got a lot of flak from them for losing the tie and not winning the CL at Bayern, but the manager can only set the team up to open up the opposition. It's then on the players and the run of the ball. Another advantage of xG is that it lets you know which strikers are on a simple hot streak where everything goes in and which ones are likely to continue scoring, i.e., by taking many shots from good positions, like Vardy during that scoring run of his. The latest candidate for "he's just on a hot streak" is Josh King. xG in the days of Pardew would have strongly suggested that our fifth place was a fluke and was unlikely to be repeat the following season. Of course, good pundits would have noticed this without stats, but we don't get good pundits these days, we get media-friendly bland ones chosen because they say nothing controversial, especially nothing non-PC, and look good in open shirts. You would never get one that looks like Jimmy Hill or Brian Moore. I've got much more faith in xG than the shallow knee-jerk punditry on MOTD. Put it better than I could have People who don't understand it will call it shit but it's quite interesting IMO. The first time I had heard about it was actually that Bayern-Atletico game as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Bayern vs Atletico is actually a great example, that was probably the best Bayern played under Guardiola. Also reminds me of one of the Chelsea vs Barca games were everyone was claiming defensive masterclass but all it really was Barca missing chances all night long. Most of the time that's case with dominant in possession teams vs "Park the bus" teams, the only time I really remember something were the defensive team limited them to actually not much chances was probably Inter vs Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Fletcher - a leader, an experienced PL footballer. For a season or two i think he'd be a good signing. Don't watch a lot of him but he seemed to play well when I did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Fletcher - a leader, an experienced PL footballer. For a season or two i think he'd be a good signing. Don't watch a lot of him but he seemed to play well when I did. Before he got aids he was a good footballer at Man U, looked ok after recovering as well. Good player for low money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Bayern vs Atletico is actually a great example, that was probably the best Bayern played under Guardiola. Also reminds me of one of the Chelsea vs Barca games were everyone was claiming defensive masterclass but all it really was Barca missing chances all night long. Most of the time that's case with dominant in possession teams vs "Park the bus" teams, the only time I really remember something were the defensive team limited them to actually not much chances was probably Inter vs Barca. Tbf Chelsea were down to ten men after captain, leader, legend JT got sent off for kneeing Sanchez off the ball for no reason so it was still a good defensive performance although Barca obviously should have won. Think Messi missed a penalty iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 More on about the first leg at Stamford Bridge, they created fucking shit loads. 2nd leg was a much better showing defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Why did Fletcher move from WBA to Stoke? 'Money ? Would've been a good signing for us. Wanted to play football at this stage of his career, also Pulis wouldn't offer him the deal he wanted. We were in for him but his family are still in Manchester and he wanted to be closer to them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Bayern vs Atletico is actually a great example, that was probably the best Bayern played under Guardiola. Also reminds me of one of the Chelsea vs Barca games were everyone was claiming defensive masterclass but all it really was Barca missing chances all night long. Most of the time that's case with dominant in possession teams vs "Park the bus" teams, the only time I really remember something were the defensive team limited them to actually not much chances was probably Inter vs Barca. Juve at the Nou Camp last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Bayern vs Atletico is actually a great example, that was probably the best Bayern played under Guardiola. Also reminds me of one of the Chelsea vs Barca games were everyone was claiming defensive masterclass but all it really was Barca missing chances all night long. Most of the time that's case with dominant in possession teams vs "Park the bus" teams, the only time I really remember something were the defensive team limited them to actually not much chances was probably Inter vs Barca. Juve at the Nou Camp last season. In fairness i hardly watched football at all last season I have no doubt you are correct though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just watching the West Brom highlights and I bet it was like a wet dream for Pulis. Goal from a 6ft 5in defender from a set piece and a clean sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Bayern vs Atletico is actually a great example, that was probably the best Bayern played under Guardiola. Also reminds me of one of the Chelsea vs Barca games were everyone was claiming defensive masterclass but all it really was Barca missing chances all night long. Most of the time that's case with dominant in possession teams vs "Park the bus" teams, the only time I really remember something were the defensive team limited them to actually not much chances was probably Inter vs Barca. Tbf Chelsea were down to ten men after captain, leader, legend JT got sent off for kneeing Sanchez off the ball for no reason so it was still a good defensive performance although Barca obviously should have won. Think Messi missed a penalty iirc It's one of my favorite games ever. It wasn't a defensive masterclass. It was so much. Last ditch defending, good officiating(Messi had a goal disallowed that looked good at first), great finishes and goalkeeping. Even though Barcelona lost, they had some classy moments in that game. They just hit the woodwork a lot. And throw all the Drogba stuff in and you have two excellent ties. Puyol was immense, too. Especially up front. He could have been a bigger hero if he had scored. Weird how Cahill started that season with Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Gouffran's new team got a good 2-2 draw with Fenerbahce on his debut. He has 'Yoan 94' as his name and number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 When did West Ham change their logo? Jesus it's terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 When did West Ham change their logo? Jesus it's terrible. Last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 When did West Ham change their logo? Jesus it's terrible. I've not seen it but as i live not far from Wham and know dozens of Wham fans, is it a logo of a supposed hardman eating a small animal raw ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Lukagol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Man Yoo are playing some really good football tbh, Pogba inparticular has been fantastic. Quite wasteful apart from the great finish from Lukaku. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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