Other clubs' transfers

[Froggy]

26 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

@Froggy Who offered 40M for Greenwood?

 

Getafe apparently. It would be £32m over 4 years due to a 20% buy clause which must be a FFP thing that benefits us. We would continue to pay a portion of his wages. They would continue to pay around £15k a week. It would be a pretty incredible deal for them. 

 

Atletico apparently has concrete interest. 

 

Big Ange wanted him but Levy said no. 

 

[leffe186]

Oh I see the link. So if his wages stay at £75Kpw you’ll pay 60Kpw of his wages - 12M over the four years. Roughly 28M equivalent deal. That would be a good deal for you both tbh. Not sure if it’s a good deal for the women of Madrid I guess.

[Froggy]

Reguilon back to Spurs.

[madras]

Given the three year rolling thing and Grealish left for Man City 3yrs ago this summer coming, will that have an effect on Villa's spending  going forward this summer or the one after ?

[Fezzle]

5 minutes ago, madras said:

Given the three year rolling thing and Grealish left for Man City 3yrs ago this summer coming, will that have an effect on Villa's spending  going forward this summer or the one after ?

Grealish is in the 3 years to June 2024(summer 21 sale)

 

 

[The Butcher]

Looks like Sancho could be going back to Dortmund on loan.

[brummie]

8 hours ago, madras said:

Given the three year rolling thing and Grealish left for Man City 3yrs ago this summer coming, will that have an effect on Villa's spending  going forward this summer or the one after ?

 

Grealish - 100m

Chukwuemeka - 20m

Cameron Archer - 19m

Philogene - 5m (a suspiciously low figure)

Aarom Ramsey - 14m

 

There is plenty of home grown FFP wriggle room there beyond Grealish.

 

Our net spend the last 3 or 4 years (although that's only part of the story re the above homegrown factor) is actually small, much lower than yours.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

Grealish - 100m

Chukwuemeka - 20m

Cameron Archer - 19m

Philogene - 5m (a suspiciously low figure)

Aarom Ramsey - 14m

 

There is plenty of home grown FFP wriggle room there beyond Grealish.

 

Our net spend the last 3 or 4 years (although that's only part of the story re the above homegrown factor) is actually small, much lower than yours.

Although this is true, it includes a couple of key one of factors which skew it. 
 

1, out splurge to keep us in the league was definitely a one off, I don’t expect us to spend so much in a January window ever age. 
 

2, your Grealish sale. 

[brummie]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Although this is true, it includes a couple of key one of factors which skew it. 
 

1, out splurge to keep us in the league was definitely a one off, I don’t expect us to spend so much in a January window ever age. 
 

2, your Grealish sale. 

 

Not really sure how Grealish makes that much difference - even ignoring Grealish, there's £60m of other homegrown sales there. How is that skewed? If we wanted (and I definitely don't want to) we could sell Jacob Ramsey for a lot of money, too.

 

One thing we've got right in recent years is transfers and balancing with homegrown players - Tielemans, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Kamara - total cost about £17m. Also, not sure how your splurge being a one off really changes anything, though?

 

I know I keep saying this, but the homegrown thing is gamechanging in terms of the wriggle room it gives you - it's 100% profit and you can book it all in one year if you want to, which makes a huge difference that you don't see if you just look at net transfer spend. 

 

That's the bit you guys need to get right.

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, brummie said:

 

Not really sure how Grealish makes that much difference - even ignoring Grealish, there's £60m of other homegrown sales there. How is that skewed? If we wanted (and I definitely don't want to) we could sell Jacob Ramsey for a lot of money, too.

 

One thing we've got right in recent years is transfers and balancing with homegrown players - Tielemans, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Kamara - total cost about £17m. Also, not sure how your splurge being a one off really changes anything, though?

 

I know I keep saying this, but the homegrown thing is gamechanging in terms of the wriggle room it gives you - it's 100% profit and you can book it all in one year if you want to, which makes a huge difference that you don't see if you just look at net transfer spend. 

 

That's the bit you guys need to get right.

Do you think we’ll beat Sunderland on Saturday?

[cubaricho]

2 minutes ago, brummie said:

know I keep saying this, but the homegrown thing is gamechanging in terms of the wriggle room it gives you - it's 100% profit and you can book it all in one year if you want to, which makes a huge difference that you don't see if you just look at net transfer spend. 

 

Isn't it like 3x the actual number too, in regards to the room it opens up for FFP? Ie: a 10m transfer opens up 30m worth of FFP wiggle room? I feel like I've seen that kind of number mentioned on here before.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by cubaricho

[brummie]

Just now, MrRaspberryJam said:

Do you think we’ll beat Sunderland on Saturday?

 

Of course you fucking will.

 

I'd back Tindall on his own to overcome Michael Beale.

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, brummie said:

 

Of course you fucking will.

 

I'd back Tindall on his own to overcome Michael Beale.

Argh god Brummie mate I was pretty relaxed about it all but I’m starting to get squeaky bum about it now. We’re in such poor form I think we’re going to get humiliated. 

 

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by MrRaspberryJam

[brummie]

Just now, cubaricho said:

 

Isn't it like 3x the actual number too, in regards to the room it opens up for FFP? Ie: a 10m transfer opens up 30m worth of FFP wiggle room? I feel like I've seen that kind of number mentioned on here before.

 

 

 

 

I don't know re those numbers, but if you look at the likes of City and Chelsea, we all moan about them fiddling the system, the 115 charges etc etc, but those two clubs both understand the importance of selling homegrown players. 

 

Gallagher is largely Chelsea's get out of jail card this season (although hopefully, they're going to run out of these options soon). Look what a massive impact that Mount money will have for them.

[brummie]

Just now, MrRaspberryJam said:

Argh god Brummie mate I was pretty relaxed about it all but I’m starting to get squeaky bum about it now. We’re in such poor form I think we’re going to get humiliated. 

 

 

Pull yourself together, man. It's an opportunity for a pivot on the season. 

 

Also, a january with not many league games in, it's good timing.

[MrRaspberryJam]

Just now, brummie said:

 

Pull yourself together, man. It's an opportunity for a pivot on the season. 

 

Also, a january with not many league games in, it's good timing.

[madras]

8 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

Not really sure how Grealish makes that much difference - even ignoring Grealish, there's £60m of other homegrown sales there. How is that skewed? If we wanted (and I definitely don't want to) we could sell Jacob Ramsey for a lot of money, too.

 

One thing we've got right in recent years is transfers and balancing with homegrown players - Tielemans, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Kamara - total cost about £17m. Also, not sure how your splurge being a one off really changes anything, though?

 

I know I keep saying this, but the homegrown thing is gamechanging in terms of the wriggle room it gives you - it's 100% profit and you can book it all in one year if you want to, which makes a huge difference that you don't see if you just look at net transfer spend. 

 

That's the bit you guys need to get right.

Those were the transfer fees, what wages and bonuses, agents fees etc attracted those players that all count towards FFP as well.

 

It's why I singled out that sale as it was 100% profit and a big shot which will soon drop off the FFP books. Without that sale would those players have been affordable, and how does that affect things going forward.

[r0cafella]

16 minutes ago, brummie said:

 

Not really sure how Grealish makes that much difference - even ignoring Grealish, there's £60m of other homegrown sales there. How is that skewed? If we wanted (and I definitely don't want to) we could sell Jacob Ramsey for a lot of money, too.

 

One thing we've got right in recent years is transfers and balancing with homegrown players - Tielemans, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Kamara - total cost about £17m. Also, not sure how your splurge being a one off really changes anything, though?

 

I know I keep saying this, but the homegrown thing is gamechanging in terms of the wriggle room it gives you - it's 100% profit and you can book it all in one year if you want to, which makes a huge difference that you don't see if you just look at net transfer spend. 

 

That's the bit you guys need to get right.

Grealish makes a massive difference, how often are you going to book a 100m sale?

 

As I said, the gap is skewed by these two items, yes you have some instances where you bought well for cheap but that becomes increasingly difficult as you scale. 
 

Homegrown sales will come but much later for us due to the state of our academy, it’s difficult to compare the clubs because you didn’t ever have 14 years of the worst owner the league has seen. 
 

Flat revenue over 14 years is literally unthinkable in this league but we managed to achieved it. 
 

The one advantage we should have over you is being able to inflate sponsorships because of state linked sponsors, even then we’ve utilised it poorly so far

[The Butcher]

Here's Chelsea's next 100m flop.

[The College Dropout]

On 01/01/2024 at 07:20, El Prontonise said:

 

Yeap I've said it previously but they are amazing at selling past it players to man utd.

Sold Odegaard on the cheap mind.

[The College Dropout]

2 things Villa have got right that we need to learn from - they've made some v. sensible low-fee or free signings, even if the wages are fairly high. Kamara lad, and Tielemans both on free transfers. We've signed 2 CMs for £100m. They use the loan market to fill out the squad. Zaniolo, Lenglet - I don't know how good either are but at least they are warm bodies the manager is willing to use. Do they earn multiples of what Ritchie / Dummett and co. earn?

 

And then obviously the youth setup. That's the FFP hack. It's going to take us 3-5 years to catch up properly but that will propel us. We seem to be signing a lot of youth players from other clubs so I'm hoping we jump the queue on that.

 

We seem to want to only sign potential superstars (apart from Barnes). Rather than a sensible 28 year-old £15-30m fullback to come in add value to the first team immediately like Alex Moreno. We'll sign a 19-year old for more money that the manager doesn't want to play with the hope he turns into a very top player. Which I think is generally a good idea for the long-term but man it has limits on filling out the squad in the short-term.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2024 by The College Dropout

[KaKa]

48 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

2 things Villa have got right that we need to learn from - they've made some v. sensible low-fee or free signings, even if the wages are fairly high. Kamara lad, and Tielemans both on free transfers. We've signed 2 CMs for £100m. They use the loan market to fill out the squad. Zaniolo, Lenglet - I don't know how good either are but at least they are warm bodies the manager is willing to use. Do they earn multiples of what Ritchie / Dummett and co. earn?

 

And then obviously the youth setup. That's the FFP hack. It's going to take us 3-5 years to catch up properly but that will propel us. We seem to be signing a lot of youth players from other clubs so I'm hoping we jump the queue on that.

 

We seem to want to only sign potential superstars (apart from Barnes). Rather than a sensible 28 year-old £15-30m fullback to come in add value to the first team immediately like Alex Moreno. We'll sign a 19-year old for more money that the manager doesn't want to play with the hope he turns into a very top player. Which I think is generally a good idea for the long-term but man it has limits on filling out the squad in the short-term.

 

 

 

 

We don't really have the flexibility they have, because we didn't/don't have the valuable home grown youngsters they've been able to move for pure profit FFP wise. We also have a bunch of dead weight eating up our wages, which they don't really have either.

 

Because of this we've tried to make some use of the players we have on the books as best we can, and focus on getting in higher value players to be in and around the first team.

 

We are still being hamstrung by the useless squad building and lack of youth infrastructure during the Mike Ashley years.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2024 by KaKa

[The College Dropout]

22 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

We don't really have the flexibility they have, because we didn't/don't have the valuable home grown youngsters they've been able to move for pure profit FFP wise. We also have a bunch of dead weight eating up our wages, which they don't really have either.

 

Because of this we've tried to make some use of the players we have on the books as best we can, and focus on getting in higher value players to be in and around the first team.

 

We are still being hamstrung by the useless squad building and lack of youth infrastructure during the Mike Ashley years.

 

 

 

I agree with this. But we've kept some dead wood on for seemingly no footballing reason.

[Menace]

Curious to see how Sancho gets on should he return at Dortmund - wouldn't even surprise me if they rejuvenate his career. There's no better club.

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Menace said:

Curious to see how Sancho gets on should he return at Dortmund - wouldn't even surprise me if they rejuvenate his career. There's no better club.

Did it work out for the like of Sahin, Kagawa and Hummels?

 

Genuinely asking. I don't know. In my mind, a fair few Dortmund players leave for big money then come back. Can add Goetze to that.

 

 

Edited January 3, 2024 by The College Dropout