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r0cafella

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Just now, KingArthur said:

They get a cut of the fee, but he is mediocre player and most likely be a squad player for Villa. They got him pretty cheap. They have a buy back, which I guess means Liverpool can match any offer like City with Trafford? 

But for me it looks like they flopped him out bc they don't need him but they need to sell some fringe players.

Yeah so either they've sold villa a dud for 35m or hes going to amount to something and they have a piece of the upside. 

 

As I said, it's not great for them. Imagine if Sociedad had an 80m buyback on isak for example. 

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Villas business was patchy guessand could be canny. 

Harvey elliott good player but there's a buyback clause in the deal so I don't like that bit of business. 

Sancho is pants two clubs he's played for in the Premier league and he's been shite. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah so either they've sold villa a dud for 35m or hes going to amount to something and they have a piece of the upside. 

 

As I said, it's not great for them. Imagine if Sociedad had an 80m buyback on isak for example. 

I think they have sold a squad player for squad player fee. I don't think Villa need him, but I don't think they need Sancho either.

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7 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Agree but the strategy they pursued was go all in. And bare in mind a certain degree of fortune was in play last season with English clubs getting an extra place and two cartel members being well off the pace. 

 

The strategy they pursued was just an extremely high risk one and now they have to pay for it. 

But how are they paying for it? They've not lost any starters and have filled out their squad. The squad is good enough to compete for Europa and in the league - whether Emery can get it together is another story.

 

We ended last season being reliant on the extra CL place. We had 1 RW in the squad, only 3 fit CBs for the entire season more or less which we knew from the start. No Europe, extra CL place, magical management from Howe and a top 5 striker in the world is how we ended up in the CL and winning the Cup. I give credit to Amanda, Howe and co. for focussing on having a top level starting core and getting it at a premium price. We wouldn't have achieved what we did with European football though.

 

We've since abandoned that approach somewhat. We have a better squad now but with more middling talents. We have become more Villa like in terms of having a decent squad but not an amazing first XI.

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

But how are they paying for it? They've not lost any starters and have filled out their squad. The squad is good enough to compete for Europa and in the league - whether Emery can get it together is another story.

 

We ended last season being reliant on the extra CL place. We had 1 RW in the squad, only 3 fit CBs for the entire season more or less which we knew from the start. No Europe, extra CL place, magical management from Howe and a top 5 striker in the world is how we ended up in the CL and winning the Cup. I give credit to Amanda, Howe and co. for focussing on having a top level starting core and getting it at a premium price. We wouldn't have achieved what we did with European football though.

 

We've since abandoned that approach somewhat. We have a better squad now but with more middling talents. We have become more Villa like in terms of having a decent squad but not an amazing first XI.

They are paying for it by having a transfer window which was poor. I think Villa have lost a step because everyone else has moved forward.

 

On top of that, they've felt the need to take more expensive gambles like Sancho, which is a big problem for them as they are already over spending on player wages. 

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2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Well this is a different point :lol:

Well it's not. A couple of injuries and suspensions and those lads are starting or getting serious minutes.

 

I think our squad is still 1 or 2 short. Needed another central player in midfield imo. Also needed to get Miley out on loan for his own good.

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1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Well it's not. A couple of injuries and suspensions and those lads are starting or getting serious minutes.

 

I think our squad is still 1 or 2 short. Needed another central player in midfield imo. Also needed to get Miley out on loan for his own good.


Miley is about our 5th midfielder and Osula is our 3rd striker. That means nothing in terms of who has the better squad. 
 

Who is Villa’s 3rd choice forward and 5th choice CM? 

 

 

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

They are paying for it by having a transfer window which was poor. I think Villa have lost a step because everyone else has moved forward.

 

On top of that, they've felt the need to take more expensive gambles like Sancho, which is a big problem for them as they are already over spending on player wages. 

They've still spent money. I just think they've spent it poorly.

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

They've still spent money. I just think they've spent it poorly.

according to Sky they have 15m of transfer profit this window. and worryingly for them they probably didn't reduce the wage bill by much at all. 

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Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Miley is about our 5th midfielder and Osula is our 3rd striker. That means nothing in terms of who has the better squad. 
 

Who is Villa’s 3rd choice forward and 5th choice CM? 

 

 

 

Ross Barkley and Donyell Malen I reckon.

 

I'd happily have those 2 and send our boys out to get minutes and develop.

 

We play with 3 CMs they play with 2. 2 injuries in midfield and Villa start  2 of Tielemans, McGinn, Onana & Kamara. 2 injuries in midfield and we are starting Lewis Miley or... changing the entire formation. That's the difference in the squad.

 

It is us that is playing 8 intense European games this season as well.. not them.

 

We have Eddie though.

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Ross Barkley and Donyell Malen I reckon.

 

I'd happily have those 2 and send our boys out to get minutes and develop.

 

We play with 3 CMs they play with 2. 2 injuries in midfield and Villa start  2 of Tielemans, McGinn, Onana & Kamara. 2 injuries in midfield and we are starting Lewis Miley or... changing the entire formation. That's the difference in the squad.

 

It is us that is playing 8 intense European games this season as well.. not them.

 

We have Eddie though.

I'd hate having those two personally.

 

Not because they are terrible, but financially these are two players who wont improve and will be on very good salaries. They are financial nooses and likely won't even get the opportunity to contribute enough not to be. 

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2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

We've only lost one first team player mind, granted he was one of our best.

 

1 goal in his first 7 and 3 in his last 15 shows we can cope without though.

What were our results in those games he didn't score?

 

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I don't think Villa are doing better than us. Our approach of paying a premium for players that can develop into world class or close has served us tremendously well. But I think their approach to PSR has been better. With the riches of our owners we could be even more aggressive. We could've done 3-5 APT deals at 999k just to get Isak his new deal last season. They can setup some multi-club BS to benefit us. They just don't care too. Which is my ultimate point about PSR. Our Ownership could do more to increase the limits, to use workarounds.... they just don't want too. It's not a priority for them. How good can we be with Owners that don't have us as number 1 footballing priority? I've said that all year.

 

I credit Villa for their Owners pushing as hard as they can in every way they can. I even credit Chelsea and Forest owners for doing the same. Lots of dodgy deals. They are determined to succeed.

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4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

What were our results in those games he didn't score?

 

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I don't think Villa are doing better than us. Our approach of paying a premium for players that can develop into world class or close has served us tremendously well. But I think their approach to PSR has been better. With the riches of our owners we could be even more aggressive. We could've done 3-5 APT deals at 999k just to get Isak his new deal last season. They can setup some multi-club BS to benefit us. They just don't care too. Which is my ultimate point about PSR. Our Ownership could do more to increase the limits, to use workarounds.... they just don't want too. It's not a priority for them. How good can we be with Owners that don't have us as number 1 footballing priority? I've said that all year.

 

I credit Villa for their Owners pushing as hard as they can in every way they can. I even credit Chelsea and Forest owners for doing the same. Lots of dodgy deals. They are determined to succeed.

3-5 APT deals? How could this be done? This is a genuine question by the way, because surely it wasn't as easy as that?

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7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

What were our results in those games he didn't score?

 

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I don't think Villa are doing better than us. Our approach of paying a premium for players that can develop into world class or close has served us tremendously well. But I think their approach to PSR has been better. With the riches of our owners we could be even more aggressive. We could've done 3-5 APT deals at 999k just to get Isak his new deal last season. They can setup some multi-club BS to benefit us. They just don't care too. Which is my ultimate point about PSR. Our Ownership could do more to increase the limits, to use workarounds.... they just don't want too. It's not a priority for them. How good can we be with Owners that don't have us as number 1 footballing priority? I've said that all year.

 

I credit Villa for their Owners pushing as hard as they can in every way they can. I even credit Chelsea and Forest owners for doing the same. Lots of dodgy deals. They are determined to succeed.

 

The alternative was a cripple.

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2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Their stated ambition wasn't a league cup win and scraping into the CL. If that's the ambition. That's also fine. I'm less mad at Isak if that's the case. Why waste another year at a club of limited ambition? Go and win your trophies boy.

 

Who do you actually support? :lol:

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