Other clubs' transfers

[The College Dropout]

I don’t. 
 

I would much rather succeed now and deal with ‘investigations’ 5-years down the line.  

[El Prontonise]

 

 

 

[andycap]

23 hours ago, Lish007 said:

Obviously Isak is a great player and Liverpool have some great players BUT.. there is now a lot of pressure on them to not only retain their title, but win CL.

 

We will see but they really really should have got another CB in as Gomez is very injury prone. Will be very interesting to see if they can actually do it. 

 

Isak is good but Ekitike was filling in very nicely as a 9. They have an amazing front but their backline is very suspect and all this media wanking over them will put the pressure on very early. 

 

Obvs its quite irritating that they've managed 9/9 without actually playing well at all but that wont last. They will score goals but they are hella leaky. 

Well they did try for Guehi. Plus they have that young Italian lad they got a week ago. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

 

 

Would love to see how the PL figure out FMV for this one. 

[joeyt]

[Coco]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

I don’t. 
 

I would much rather succeed now and deal with ‘investigations’ 5-years down the line.  

It's comments like this that make us all look dumb. You actually want the club to do scummy, underhanded deals, so long as we get a quick fix of success? You've kept going on about your disappointment that PIF aren't pushing the limits more and you applaud Chelsea fuckery. If anyone still hasn't got the message, and thinks your opinions are worth a damn, you demonstrate on a near daily basis that you are in love with the worst aspects of the modern game, and quite frankly, you don't align with the core ethos of a team like ours. Aside from fluffing your ego and an incessant need to be heard, why are you here? Why do you actually support Newcastle? 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Coco said:

It's comments like this that make us all look dumb. You actually want the club to do scummy, underhanded deals, so long as we get a quick fix of success? You've kept going on about your disappointment that PIF aren't pushing the limits more and you applaud Chelsea fuckery. If anyone still hasn't got the message, and thinks your opinions are worth a damn, you demonstrate on a near daily basis that you are in love with the worst aspects of the modern game, and quite frankly, you don't align with the core ethos of a team like ours. Aside from fluffing your ego and an incessant need to be heard, why are you here? Why do you actually support Newcastle? 

There’s so much to this. 
 

We are owned by Saudi Arabia.  A state that by most people’s metrics oppresses women, migrants, gay people and carries out dodgy trials and executions. Dissidence to the state can result in death. 
 

Our owners do way more evil things than they could possibly do with football. They won’t be our owners forever- if you were so principled you would be at a massive distance from the club while they are owners. 
 

And your main point about the principles of the game. Welcome to capitalism.  I suspect your pension has stocks in companies that have received investigations and sanctions in businesses that have done unethical things. Have you ensured your pension is only invested in ethical firms? The success we have had is entirely down to the Saudi state that most consider abhorrent. 

 

Lastly, I’m not advocating rule breaking. I am advocating utilising existing loopholes - as if our ambition is to become a force in Europe within the next 7 years, I think that is needed (and we’ve already done some). 90% of people would utilise a tax loophole if it helped them.  
 

If the owners say they just want us to be in and around European places.  Cup runs. Then fine. Let’s keep doing what we are doing. Theres a lot of posturing they do so I don’t know what is what.  
 

tldr: it’s a current game. We are already corrupt morally speaking. 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by The College Dropout

[Coco]

20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s so much to this. 
 

We are owned by Saudi Arabia.  A state that by most people’s metrics oppresses women, migrants, gay people and carries out dodgy trials and executions. Dissidence to the state can result in death. 
 

Our owners do way more evil things than they could possibly do with football. They won’t be our owners forever- if you were so principled you would be at a massive distance from the club while they are owners. 
 

And your main point about the principles of the game. Welcome to capitalism.  I suspect your pension has stocks in companies that have received investigations and sanctions in businesses that have done unethical things. Have you ensured your pension is only invested in ethical firms? The success we have had is entirely down to the Saudi state that most consider abhorrent. 

 

Lastly, I’m not advocating rule breaking. I am advocating utilising existing loopholes - as if our ambition is to become a force in Europe within the next 7 years, I think that is needed (and we’ve already done some). 90% of people would utilise a tax loophole if it helped them.  
 

If the owners say they just want us to be in and around European places.  Cup runs. Then fine. Let’s keep doing what we are doing. Theres a lot of posturing they do so I don’t know what is what.  
 

tldr: it’s a current game. We are already corrupt morally speaking. 

 

 

 

I'm sure you think this was a suitable rebuttal of what I said, but you're really just confirming my post. A load of barely tangential guff about the Saudi state, tax loopholes and pensions. Utter twaddle.

 

My main point wasn't about the principles of the game. It was that you behave like someone with very little genuine attachment to what truly makes the club special for so many fans. You champion an approach that would alienate the regular fans and make us just another soulless business enterprise, run by moneymen who are happy to stab their own mother's for a profit. At times I wonder if you even enjoy watching football. 

 

 

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Coco said:

I'm sure you think this was a suitable rebuttal of what I said, but you're really just confirming my post. A load of barely tangential guff about the Saudi state, tax loopholes and pensions. Utter twaddle.

 

My main point wasn't about the principles of the game. It was that you behave like someone with very little genuine attachment to what truly makes the club special for so many fans. You champion an approach that would alienate the regular fans and make us just another soulless business enterprise, run by moneymen who are happy to stab their own mother's for a profit. At times I wonder if you even enjoy watching football. 

 

 

Do you know who we are owned by?

 

I advocate for having someone with equity in an active leadership position because we need someone with skin in the game to reach the Owners' supposed aims.

 

 

What we've had since Amanda has left is precisely "another soulless business enterprise, run by moneymen who are happy to stab their own mother's for a profit". Amanda herself fits that bill but she put her soul into it. Can't fault the team and manager, coaches etc.

 

Whatever soul Marinakis has, he puts it into Forest. Can't guarantee the same for our Owners.

 

Fans don't care about Saudi ownership. You think our fans would care about a multi-club model that benefitted us or a dozen APT deals?  That's what most people want, the rules to fall and for us to have "a level playing field" with the cartel clubs.

[Coco]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Do you know who we are owned by?

 

I advocate for having someone with equity in an active leadership position because we need someone with skin in the game to reach the Owners' supposed aims.

 

 

What we've had since Amanda has left is precisely "another soulless business enterprise, run by moneymen who are happy to stab their own mother's for a profit". Amanda herself fits that bill but she put her soul into it. Can't fault the team and manager, coaches etc.

 

Whatever soul Marinakis has, he puts it into Forest. Can't guarantee the same for our Owners.

 

Fans don't care about Saudi ownership. You think our fans would care about a multi-club model that benefitted us or a dozen APT deals?  That's what most people want, the rules to fall and for us to have "a level playing field" with the cartel clubs.

More irrelevant guff. Are you incapable of addressing a point? Maybe you'd be well suited to a career in politics.

 

You conflate what you want with what other people want. I don't know any real fans who want us to be part of Magpie Football Inc, with teams in every league. Nor do they want us to be Chelsea or City, and spend lavishly on perceived instant success. It's cliche, but football is tribal. It's more than a club, it's part of our identity and day to day lives. They don't want what good there is in that identity to be stripped away by greed and excess, so that some guy in Riyadh can say he's number one. People do care about the moral quandary of Saudi ownership, but recognise that we live in a world where we have very little say in what the uber billionaires do with their money. You revel in it though. You act like the best course of action is to jump in the mud with all the other pigs, and you're completely oblivious to what that would cost. Like I alluded to before, I question why you you even support this club, because it's abundantly clear that you don't have an emotional connection to it. If you did, you'd realise just how moronic you sound when you keep spouting this nonsense. 

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s so much to this. 
 

We are owned by Saudi Arabia.  A state that by most people’s metrics oppresses women, migrants, gay people and carries out dodgy trials and executions. Dissidence to the state can result in death. 
 

Our owners do way more evil things than they could possibly do with football. They won’t be our owners forever- if you were so principled you would be at a massive distance from the club while they are owners. 
 

And your main point about the principles of the game. Welcome to capitalism.  I suspect your pension has stocks in companies that have received investigations and sanctions in businesses that have done unethical things. Have you ensured your pension is only invested in ethical firms? The success we have had is entirely down to the Saudi state that most consider abhorrent. 

 

Lastly, I’m not advocating rule breaking. I am advocating utilising existing loopholes - as if our ambition is to become a force in Europe within the next 7 years, I think that is needed (and we’ve already done some). 90% of people would utilise a tax loophole if it helped them.  
 

If the owners say they just want us to be in and around European places.  Cup runs. Then fine. Let’s keep doing what we are doing. Theres a lot of posturing they do so I don’t know what is what.  
 

tldr: it’s a current game. We are already corrupt morally speaking. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s so much to this. 
 

We are owned by Saudi Arabia.  A state that by most people’s metrics oppresses women, migrants, gay people and carries out dodgy trials and executions. Dissidence to the state can result in death. 
 

Our owners do way more evil things than they could possibly do with football. They won’t be our owners forever- if you were so principled you would be at a massive distance from the club while they are owners. 
 

And your main point about the principles of the game. Welcome to capitalism.  I suspect your pension has stocks in companies that have received investigations and sanctions in businesses that have done unethical things. Have you ensured your pension is only invested in ethical firms? The success we have had is entirely down to the Saudi state that most consider abhorrent. 

 

Lastly, I’m not advocating rule breaking. I am advocating utilising existing loopholes - as if our ambition is to become a force in Europe within the next 7 years, I think that is needed (and we’ve already done some). 90% of people would utilise a tax loophole if it helped them.  
 

If the owners say they just want us to be in and around European places.  Cup runs. Then fine. Let’s keep doing what we are doing. Theres a lot of posturing they do so I don’t know what is what.  
 

tldr: it’s a current game. We are already corrupt morally speaking. 

 

 

 

Can you answer the question?

[The College Dropout]

17 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

Nobody is forced to support premier league football  it’s hard to participate in modern life without a smartphone 

 

There’s a lower league football club local to you that you can support easily.  
 

Many boycotted under Ashley. Nothing stopping you boycotting the Saudi’s. 

But you won’t and few people have. Because this is a bit of a golden era.  If we bent the rules or even broke them - if we were successful you would still support 

[Coco]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Nobody is forced to support premier league football  it’s hard to participate in modern life without a smartphone 

 

There’s a lower league football club local to you that you can support easily.  
 

Many boycotted under Ashley. Nothing stopping you boycotting the Saudi’s. 

But you won’t and few people have. Because this is a bit of a golden era.  If we bent the rules or even broke them - if we were successful you would still support 

[The College Dropout]

You don’t care enough about the Saudi ownership.  You didn’t care when we did a dodgy deal with Forest to avoid PSR issues. You disnt care when we got an Sela sponsorship higher than any non Saudi company would offer.  And if we went multi club you wouldn’t care either if it brought success.  
 

You don’t even care that much about us signing a player for similar actions that Isak did. 
 

Our hands are already covered in blood.  We already represent some of the very worst aspects of modern football. But it’s multi club that is too far? 

[The Prophet]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Nobody is forced to support premier league football  it’s hard to participate in modern life without a smartphone 

 

There’s a lower league football club local to you that you can support easily.  
 

Many boycotted under Ashley. Nothing stopping you boycotting the Saudi’s. 

But you won’t and few people have. Because this is a bit of a golden era.  If we bent the rules or even broke them - if we were successful you would still support 

 

I can't speak for others, but It was Rafa that dragged me back in, not PIF. 

 

That's the issue though, I loathe the modern game, I'd love to break the emotional bond to the club but sooner or later I always find myself coming back.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2025 by The Prophet

[Toonpack]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You don’t care enough about the Saudi ownership.  You didn’t care when we did a dodgy deal with Forest to avoid PSR issues. You disnt care when we got an Sela sponsorship higher than any non Saudi company would offer.  And if we went multi club you wouldn’t care either if it brought success.  
 

You don’t even care that much about us signing a player for similar actions that Isak did. 
 

Our hands are already covered in blood.  We already represent some of the very worst aspects of modern football. But it’s multi club that is too far? 

 What utter nonsense 😂😂😂😂

[The College Dropout]

We did the big one. Bought by an oppressive state. 
 

You are all here 

 

 

[Virtua Stiva]

My god, he’s done it again. I thought forum posters like this died out in 2008

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I can't speak for others, but It was Rafa that dragged me back in, not PIF. 

 

That's the issue though, I loathe the modern game, I'd love to break the emotional bond but sooner or later I always find myself coming back.

You don’t loathe it enough though do you? 
 

We have the most professionally run ans supported grass roots football in the world.  

[TRon]

5 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I don’t. 
 

I would much rather succeed now and deal with ‘investigations’ 5-years down the line.  

 

While I can understand there is a lot of frustration with the slow and careful approach, given we are owned by PIF, I wouldn't want to be giving any ammunition to the cartel to come after us. It could be worse, at least it still looks like we do have ambition to reach the top looking at the calibre of people we are appointing, whether thats's administrative level or coaching/players. 

[Abacus]

20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Nobody is forced to support premier league football  it’s hard to participate in modern life without a smartphone 

 

There’s a lower league football club local to you that you can support easily.  
 

Many boycotted under Ashley. Nothing stopping you boycotting the Saudi’s. 

But you won’t and few people have. Because this is a bit of a golden era.  If we bent the rules or even broke them - if we were successful you would still support 

 

We are owned by the the Saudis and so should support rule breaking at our club. Errr no. You're not making any sense.

 

Even the rule bending you yourself have suggested repeatedly has always been shot down as being impractical regardless. Like selling the women's team which isn't valued anywhere near the same, or selling a hotel we don't own to start with.

 

Or recently, get lots of sponsorships just £1 under £1m. Not that this would turn the dial much, but regardless.

 

On that one, you're a CEO with a purchase order limit of £1m that they need to personally sign off on. You suddenly see lots of these coming in at just £1 under the limit. It's one of the first things you look for as a sign of procurement fraud and it would take two minutes for new rules to be passed specifically against this and probably directed at us.

 

None of your positions make any sense and they are frankly a bit tedious to have repeated constantly. In short, you don't know what you are talking about and please don't claim to speak on anyone's behalf about what they would actually think in scenarios you have invented yourself.

[Dr Venkman]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We did the big one. Bought by an oppressive state. 
 

You are all here 

 

 

Answer the question.

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

While I can understand there is a lot of frustration with the slow and careful approach, given we are owned by PIF, I wouldn't want to be giving any ammunition to the cartel to come after us. It could be worse, at least it still looks like we do have ambition to reach the top looking at the calibre of people we are appointing, whether thats's administrative level or coaching/players. 

I wouldn’t mind so much if it was slow and careful. 
 

But it hasn’t been careful. It’s been careless. The owners didn’t even bother to announce an interim CEO. 

[The Prophet]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You don’t loathe it enough though do you? 
 

We have the most professionally run ans supported grass roots football in the world.  

 

I'm getting there. 

 

I attended my first game when I was a boy, I spent much of my teenage years in and around SJP. To this day it's still a means of connecting with family. 

 

It's not as straightforward as dropping it and picking another club, if I jack it in I'll not bother with the game full stop.

 

So I'd say you're trying to force something that's pretty grey and subjective into neat black and white (excuse the pun) objectivity.