themanupstairs Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 It's still the most epic of come-downs going from the elite Rafa Benitez to the way below average Steve fucking Bruce. In all my 30 years supporting this club I don't think I've ever experienced such a rollercoaster of emotions as going from elation in the Fulham game to abject depression the day Bruce signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I was mentally preparing over the last few months of Rafa, but it still hurts to this day. TBF though, we already knew the club was pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I was mentally preparing over the last few months of Rafa, but it still hurts to this day. TBF though, we already knew the club was pointless. The only thing I wasn't mentally prepared for, was the 3 years Rafa was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 True. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. That was a hell of a downgrade but at least under Shepherd we knew there was some kind of ambition (where's NE5?). Rafa breathed life back into the lifeless corpse that was NUFC. Sadnesstan has got it spot on actually...it was the combination of misery under McLaren, euphoria with Rafa then back down to the current status quo that's got me all fucked up. In more than the 10 years I've been on this board I never logged out. Now I barely even look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I still log onto this board every day, it’s the only thing keeping me connected to the club. One day people, one day.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag_in_NZ Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Watching Local Hero last night ands at the end (when the music is playing) I couldn't get my head around how we've gone from Rafa (Local Hero) to "How's the Bacon" (Local Zero)…… and the comic now have Gabby Agbonlahor saying what a great manager The Baconator is...…surely they are just trolling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Was the legit football decision to get a disciplinarian in? Because all it did was become chaotic and break up the Bobby team. When Liverpool went to Rafa, Chelsea sacked Raineri and went to Jose Mourinho and a few months later we turned to Souness and I don't think we ever recovered. Because that to me, hiring of Souness, never felt like a sound football decision and more like a completely odd one given the previous hires were Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit. I think as nutty as Gullit as he was sacked in Feb 98 when Chelsea were 2nd or 3rd in the league. When SBR was sacked Freddie went for Souness...a man with 1 decent finish with Blackburn 2 season prior and after that not much to write about other than earlier in his career. Genuinely asking. Because after Souness it was Roeder and Fat Sam then MA bought us. In any case, I always felt FS had a plan and was trying to be successful, despite the criticism he gets for "getting rich" off the club, he still at the end of the day was a fan and wanted the club to succeed - even in his own way. So not trying to split hairs here. So do agree with you in the main.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Was the legit football decision to get a disciplinarian in? Because all it did was become chaotic and break up the Bobby team. When Liverpool went to Rafa, Chelsea sacked Raineri and went to Jose Mourinho and a few months later we turned to Souness and I don't think we ever recovered. Because that to me, hiring of Souness, never felt like a sound football decision and more like a completely odd one given the previous hires were Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit. I think as nutty as Gullit as he was sacked in Feb 98 when Chelsea were 2nd or 3rd in the league. When SBR was sacked Freddie went for Souness...a man with 1 decent finish with Blackburn 2 season prior and after that not much to write about other than earlier in his career. Genuinely asking. Because after Souness it was Roeder and Fat Sam then MA bought us. In any case, I always felt FS had a plan and was trying to be successful, despite the criticism he gets for "getting rich" off the club, he still at the end of the day was a fan and wanted the club to succeed - even in his own way. So not trying to split hairs here. So do agree with you in the main.... I still cringe when I think back to us going for Souness when I think Keegan would have took the job if approached. Kind of ironic when you think about it I suppose. If we'd gotten Robson after Keegan left we could have done great things with that team. If we'd gotten Keegan when Robson left, again we could have done great things with that team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 It was incorrect but at least it was based on the team and the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Was the legit football decision to get a disciplinarian in? Because all it did was become chaotic and break up the Bobby team. When Liverpool went to Rafa, Chelsea sacked Raineri and went to Jose Mourinho and a few months later we turned to Souness and I don't think we ever recovered. Because that to me, hiring of Souness, never felt like a sound football decision and more like a completely odd one given the previous hires were Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit. I think as nutty as Gullit as he was sacked in Feb 98 when Chelsea were 2nd or 3rd in the league. When SBR was sacked Freddie went for Souness...a man with 1 decent finish with Blackburn 2 season prior and after that not much to write about other than earlier in his career. Genuinely asking. Because after Souness it was Roeder and Fat Sam then MA bought us. It was an appalling, staggering decision but that was the logic, yes. Bobby supposedly couldn't manage the egos in the squad. Souness' methods were far worse, of course, as he continually alienated our most mercurial players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribesman Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Whatever he taught the players during his time at the club is now well and truly gone under Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Miss u. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Literally let go for having too much ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I would name my firstborn Rafa if he came back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Was the legit football decision to get a disciplinarian in? Because all it did was become chaotic and break up the Bobby team. When Liverpool went to Rafa, Chelsea sacked Raineri and went to Jose Mourinho and a few months later we turned to Souness and I don't think we ever recovered. Because that to me, hiring of Souness, never felt like a sound football decision and more like a completely odd one given the previous hires were Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit. I think as nutty as Gullit as he was sacked in Feb 98 when Chelsea were 2nd or 3rd in the league. When SBR was sacked Freddie went for Souness...a man with 1 decent finish with Blackburn 2 season prior and after that not much to write about other than earlier in his career. Genuinely asking. Because after Souness it was Roeder and Fat Sam then MA bought us. In any case, I always felt FS had a plan and was trying to be successful, despite the criticism he gets for "getting rich" off the club, he still at the end of the day was a fan and wanted the club to succeed - even in his own way. So not trying to split hairs here. So do agree with you in the main....Shearere I always got the feeling that Shearer might have been a big factor in Souness getting the job. Neither Gullitt or Robson treated him as untouchable, and as soon as Souness landed, he made it clear that Shearer was his main man. Bellamy and Kluivert were pretty quickly downgraded in comparison. Freddie Shepherd was also in thrall to Shearer, pretty sure he was lauding him as a future Newcastle manager at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Bobby to Souness was an outrageous downgrade. At least that was a legitimate football decision though, rather than whatever the Bruce appointment was. Was the legit football decision to get a disciplinarian in? Because all it did was become chaotic and break up the Bobby team. When Liverpool went to Rafa, Chelsea sacked Raineri and went to Jose Mourinho and a few months later we turned to Souness and I don't think we ever recovered. Because that to me, hiring of Souness, never felt like a sound football decision and more like a completely odd one given the previous hires were Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit. I think as nutty as Gullit as he was sacked in Feb 98 when Chelsea were 2nd or 3rd in the league. When SBR was sacked Freddie went for Souness...a man with 1 decent finish with Blackburn 2 season prior and after that not much to write about other than earlier in his career. Genuinely asking. Because after Souness it was Roeder and Fat Sam then MA bought us. In any case, I always felt FS had a plan and was trying to be successful, despite the criticism he gets for "getting rich" off the club, he still at the end of the day was a fan and wanted the club to succeed - even in his own way. So not trying to split hairs here. So do agree with you in the main....Shearere I always got the feeling that Shearer might have been a big factor in Souness getting the job. Neither Gullitt or Robson treated him as untouchable, and as soon as Souness landed, he made it clear that Shearer was his main man. Bellamy and Kluivert were pretty quickly downgraded in comparison. Freddie Shepherd was also in thrall to Shearer, pretty sure he was lauding him as a future Newcastle manager at some point. Shearer was in the interview room for the job according to Allardyce. Shearer and Souness also worked together for Sky on their CL coverage the season before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 So every one of Bruce's signings have been worse than Rafa's budget buys, imagine what would happen if Rafa was given one of Ashleys dingbat manager budgets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 So every one of Bruce's signings have been worse than Rafa's budget buys, imagine what would happen if Rafa was given one of Ashleys dingbat manager budgets Not sure about including ASM in that tbf but the rest... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 So every one of Bruce's signings have been worse than Rafa's budget buys, imagine what would happen if Rafa was given one of Ashleys dingbat manager budgets Not sure about including ASM in that tbf but the rest... Perez was better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 So every one of Bruce's signings have been worse than Rafa's budget buys, imagine what would happen if Rafa was given one of Ashleys dingbat manager budgets Not sure about including ASM in that tbf but the rest... Perez was better Rafa didn't buy Perez though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 As if Bruce would ever have played Perez anyway, would have sold him for peanuts if he'd been in charge last few seasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 So every one of Bruce's signings have been worse than Rafa's budget buys, imagine what would happen if Rafa was given one of Ashleys dingbat manager budgets Are they actually Bruce's buys though? Isn't the point of Bruce being here is because he'll accept any garbage chucked his way from Charnley & Nickson as long as he gets to stay in the managers job in return? No denying they're crap, though. But that's hardly surprising given the staff we have managing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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