Happinesstan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Not anymore he doesn't....we've been Bruced and got a whole load more he hasn't got a clue about. Could be advantageous Didn't Bruce surprise these with his lack of a discernible plan to be countered? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Didn't Bruce surprise these with his lack of a discernible plan to be countered? Exactly, you cant plan against a team that has no plan, obvious direction or collective motivation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Exactly, you cant plan against a team that has no plan, obvious direction or collective motivation But we now have a plan, involving the same players Rafa knows so well. They were never Bruced, he couldn't inspire a dog to piss on a lamppost. They've been de-Rafad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: But we now have a plan, involving the same players Rafa knows so well. They were never Bruced, he couldn't inspire a dog to piss on a lamppost. They've been de-Rafad I'd say a fair few of them have been fully Bruced... Lacelles....just short on an international call up pre-Bruce, and now doesn't look like he knows how to football at all Willock....looked a good player immediately from Arsenal, now looks like a total waste of space Clarke....never brilliant, but always a 7/10 player for Rafa, now a complete liability Ritchie...again never brilliant but with constant direction from Rafa reasonably useful....Now looks like a right winger playing as a left back Hayden....a semi competent defensive midfielder, now spends more time on the ground complaining than trying to play Longstaff 1....touted for a £50m move and cant even get ahead of Shelvey now Longstaff 2....Arguably better than Longstaff 1, but punted up to Aberdeen where he can't even get in their team now. Rafa had this lot (bar Willock) playing as a coherent effective team. 6 months of Bruceball and not one of them currently deserves to be starting a premier league game Edited December 15, 2021 by gjohnson accuracy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, gjohnson said: I'd say a fair few of them have been fully Bruced... Lacelles....just short on an international call up pre-Bruce, and now doesn't look like he knows how to football at all Willock....looked a good player immediately from Arsenal, now looks like a total waste of space Clarke....never brilliant, but always a 7/10 player for Rafa, now a complete liability Ritchie...again never brilliant but with constant direction from Rafa reasonably useful....Now looks like a right winger playing as a left back Hayden....a semi competent defensive midfielder, now spends more time on the ground complaining than trying to play Longstaff 1....touted for a £50m move and cant even get ahead of Shelvey now Longstaff 2....Arguably better than Longstaff 1, but punted up to Aberdeen where he can't even get in their team now. Rafa had this lot (bar Willock) playing as a coherent effective team. 6 months of Bruceball and not one of them currently deserves to be starting a premier league game Bruce never made any attempt to play them as a coherent effective team. Therefore his influence is nil, in this respect. We're a squad of Championship players from which Rafa got a quite pleasant tune. Bruce came along and blew in the wrong fucking end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Rafa filled them with Belief, desire and commitment. Bruce came and pulled the plug out on his first day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, gjohnson said: Not anymore he doesn't....we've been Bruced and got a whole load more he hasn't got a clue about. Could be advantageous Exactly. How do you prepare against a team that won't even know themselves what they are going to do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Lascelles had the perfect set-up for a good while - and I'm not digging him out here. At its best, he had two technical players either side of him in Schar/Lejeuene. They would do the forays up field, the fancy stuff, and clean up anything that came short. All Lascelles had to do was sit next to them and let them know what was happening. If it came in high it was his ball to win. If he needed to chase he could do that. I don't know when Rafa had the genesis of the idea to play us in a back three, I'd love to know, but he basically built a back three that was impeccable balanced. If Schar/Lejeune made a balls up you could trust Jamal to step in and clean up. We also didn't leave much space in behind which is what all defenders prefer. It's why I can look like Beckenbaeur at five a side and Bobby Davro on a 11aside pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Thiago said: Lascelles had the perfect set-up for a good while - and I'm not digging him out here. At its best, he had two technical players either side of him in Schar/Lejeuene. They would do the forays up field, the fancy stuff, and clean up anything that came short. All Lascelles had to do was sit next to them and let them know what was happening. If it came in high it was his ball to win. If he needed to chase he could do that. I don't know when Rafa had the genesis of the idea to play us in a back three, I'd love to know, but he basically built a back three that was impeccable balanced. If Schar/Lejeune made a balls up you could trust Jamal to step in and clean up. We also didn't leave much space in behind which is what all defenders prefer. It's why I can look like Beckenbaeur at five a side and Bobby Davro on a 11aside pitch. Tbf, even if Rafa isn't your cup of tea as a manager, he knows how to put together a team that will play exactly how he wants them to. He didn't buy Lascelles remember, he just saw someone who he could fit into his back 3 effectively, and as you rightly point out, that gave him a basis to fit two complementary ball playing CB's either side of him. It's just good management as opposed to not having a fucking clue, a la Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Manxst said: The cunt that stamped on Tomisayu’s face the other week? No thanks- thought he was shite and every time I’ve watched him he’s ran around headless. Haha remember when shearer volleyed Neil lennons head Godfreys didn't have a patch on that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, jack j said: Haha remember when shearer volleyed Neil lennons head Godfreys didn't have a patch on that I remember when this club defended people who kicked opponents in the face. How far we've fallen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Lose tomorrow and it’s curtains for him? I fancy them to sneak a draw actually! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: Wouldn’t fancy us against Darlington based on Sunday. Need a massive improvement. It wasn't that bad like (it was by no means acceptable either). Plus Everton don't have anyone the quality of Tielemans and Maddison to knob us on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Pretty much has the kids out tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Hope he loved getting a point there tonight. So weird that they despise him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Great result given the rabble we had out but let's be clear - on another night Chelsea win that 5-0. So many missed chances. Pleased with the spirit but we got lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Has he been sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 minute ago, mighty__mag said: Has he been sacked yet? Do you want him to be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Got to give him till the end of the season at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Willow said: Do you want him to be? Should I ? Was thinking more about the Everton fans who are similar to the Mackem know how, the type of superiority, surely by now they'll be losing it, surely being beaten by Brighton at home is getting close to crunch time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Never thought I'd say this about Rafa but we need him there to have more chance of beating them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) Has to at least be allowed to let Everton lose to us before he goes. Fully expect the to panic and get a contrasting attacking coach in to appease fans. We should really just stick a bid in for lewin. All that said it would be perfect if they shat the bed and got a fat Sam or Bruce as stop gap. Probably better getting big Dunc back! Edited January 2, 2022 by toontownman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) We constantly go on about other fans/pundits etc telling us whats right for our club and then we do the exact same Fair enough they weren't the most welcoming but even with their squad issues he's not doing a great job. Their local derby are one of the best teams on the planet and they obviously want to try and complete with them, Rafa doesn't look the manager for that. As much as I loved him here I really didn't want him back after the takeover. Edited January 2, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: We constantly go on about other fans/pundits etc telling us whats right for our club and then we do the exact same Fair enough they weren't the most welcoming but even with their squad issues he's not doing a great job. They're local derby are one of the best teams on the planet and they obviously want to try and complete with them, Rafa doesn't look the manager for that. As much as I loved him here I really didn't want him back after the takeover. Not wholly his fault obviously but he's doing a terrible job at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) Yes! to answer my own question #Rafaout is trending on Twitter, and they're entering full on meltdown. 2 wins in the last 15. 6 points from 36. They want Big Dunk at the wheel. He was daft to go there imo. Edited January 2, 2022 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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