Rafa Benítez (now unemployed)

[mrmojorisin75]

Having said that, I think if he manages to keep Newcastle up ( which I am confident he will) this season, it will probably be his greatest achievement. He has pulled out magical victories at other clubs but this is the first where the owner is actively trying to sabotage progress made.

 

if he doesn't get any backing this january and keeps us up it will be absolutely remarkable tbph

Not really when Cardiff, Huddersfield and Fulham are so shite

 

you've just named 2 teams that have backed their manager to the tune of something like £100m more than rafa each on the players they've got

 

it will be an amazing achievement imo

Huddersfield have spent £100m more than us? Genuine question.

 

We've won 2 games and we're 14th The bottom of the league is complete shit this season. I think we'll be comfortable again

 

[triggs]

Having said that, I think if he manages to keep Newcastle up ( which I am confident he will) this season, it will probably be his greatest achievement. He has pulled out magical victories at other clubs but this is the first where the owner is actively trying to sabotage progress made.

 

if he doesn't get any backing this january and keeps us up it will be absolutely remarkable tbph

Not really when Cardiff, Huddersfield and Fulham are so shite

 

you've just named 2 teams that have backed their manager to the tune of something like £100m more than rafa each on the players they've got

 

it will be an amazing achievement imo

Huddersfield have spent £100m more than us? Genuine question.

 

We've won 2 games and we're 14th The bottom of the league is complete shit this season. I think we'll be comfortable again

 

Fair enough, presume our wage bill is probably higher than theirs though

[Shearergol]

Having said that, I think if he manages to keep Newcastle up ( which I am confident he will) this season, it will probably be his greatest achievement. He has pulled out magical victories at other clubs but this is the first where the owner is actively trying to sabotage progress made.

 

if he doesn't get any backing this january and keeps us up it will be absolutely remarkable tbph

Not really when Cardiff, Huddersfield and Fulham are so shite

 

you've just named 2 teams that have backed their manager to the tune of something like £100m more than rafa each on the players they've got

 

it will be an amazing achievement imo

Huddersfield have spent £100m more than us? Genuine question.

 

We've won 2 games and we're 14th The bottom of the league is complete shit this season. I think we'll be comfortable again

 

Fair enough, presume our wage bill is probably higher than theirs though

 

What are you actually basing that on?

[geordiedean]

Having said that, I think if he manages to keep Newcastle up ( which I am confident he will) this season, it will probably be his greatest achievement. He has pulled out magical victories at other clubs but this is the first where the owner is actively trying to sabotage progress made.

 

if he doesn't get any backing this january and keeps us up it will be absolutely remarkable tbph

Not really when Cardiff, Huddersfield and Fulham are so shite

 

you've just named 2 teams that have backed their manager to the tune of something like £100m more than rafa each on the players they've got

 

it will be an amazing achievement imo

Huddersfield have spent £100m more than us? Genuine question.

 

We've won 2 games and we're 14th The bottom of the league is complete shit this season. I think we'll be comfortable again

 

Fair enough, presume our wage bill is probably higher than theirs though

 

I severely doubt it if youre paying 17m plus for a player his wages are going to be higher than a guy who costs 5m its only natural really and if we are giving 5m chumps 50 or 60k a week then our club is ran by even bigger fuckwits than I thought

[summerof69]

brighton also have pretty decent training facilities too

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Got it spot on yesterday, I thoroughly enjoyed watching us for the first in a while, him and the players deserve a lot of credit, I have been critical of the man this season and rightly so IMO, but it looks like there's a good chance hes going to turn this around, and I absolutely hope he does, and shoves my words back down my gob.

[triggs]

I'm talking about Huddersfield not Brighton. Apparently last season the average Newcastle first team player earned £32,889 per week while the average Huddersfield player earned £19,693 per week. I doubt that has changed significantly enough for our wage bill to be below theirs

[Dokko]

Having said that, I think if he manages to keep Newcastle up ( which I am confident he will) this season, it will probably be his greatest achievement. He has pulled out magical victories at other clubs but this is the first where the owner is actively trying to sabotage progress made.

 

if he doesn't get any backing this january and keeps us up it will be absolutely remarkable tbph

Not really when Cardiff, Huddersfield and Fulham are so shite

 

you've just named 2 teams that have backed their manager to the tune of something like £100m more than rafa each on the players they've got

 

it will be an amazing achievement imo

Huddersfield have spent £100m more than us? Genuine question.

 

We've won 2 games and we're 14th The bottom of the league is complete shit this season. I think we'll be comfortable again

 

Fair enough, presume our wage bill is probably higher than theirs though

 

I severely doubt it if youre paying 17m plus for a player his wages are going to be higher than a guy who costs 5m its only natural really and if we are giving 5m chumps 50 or 60k a week then our club is ran by even bigger fuckwits than I thought

 

Problem is we have loads of average players on much more than they deserve. When they leave we end up taking a hit on the fee but also end up paying a bulk of their wages. We'll be still paying players who left 2 seasons ago.

 

For once we also pay our manager handsomely.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I'm talking about Huddersfield not Brighton. Apparently last season the average Newcastle first team player earned £32,889 per week while the average Huddersfield player earned £19,693 per week. I doubt that has changed significantly enough for our wage bill to be below theirs

 

The difference equates to around 17m for a 25 man squad over a 4 year period. Even using Lee Charnley accounting it doesn't change anything.

[Sean]

Yeah but no disrespect to Huddersfield or Brighton, but we're Newcastle United ffs, our club should be bringing in a lot more revenue than those 2, spending more on transfer fees AND wages than them. Again, it all comes down to Ashley.

[Wilson]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

 

 

[loki679]

At what point does the answer to the question 'Do you want to be Leeds or Portsmouth?' become 'Yes'?

 

Fucking used as harbingers of doom for the last decade and outspending us now

[Thomson Mouse]

Why aren’t these Liverpool fans coming ‘in peace’? I thought all opposition fans did that.

[The College Dropout]

In practical terms, the bottom 6 or so are absolutely woeful.

 

I think 32 points might keep you up this year. Maybe slightly less. Because so many teams are so far behind the rest, staying up losses some of its magic. As Rafa even said, it's a case of teams being worse than you than the team being any good.

[Stottie]

I don't want to get sucked into this discussion, but our average attendance and the number of times our games are televised should be enough to justify any small discrepancy in our favour regarding wages vs. Brighton and Huddersfield. We may have a smaller commercial revenue but that is because someone plastered Sports Direct all over the place and didn't pay for it.

[triggs]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

[DJ_NUFC]

Ashley's made everyone into accountants. "The KPI's indicate this level of success is acceptable based on the wage to cocksize ratio in comparison to other clubs."

[Guest firetotheworks]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

 

Probably trophies and points tbh, but churlishness aside, if you're comfortable with including a football business outlier like NUFC in what stat indicates what, which I wouldn't be, our wage bill's neither significantly higher than our relegation rivals, nor does it make up for the massive deficit in transfer spending between other clubs and us.

[triggs]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

 

Probably trophies and points tbh, but churlishness aside, if you're comfortable with including a football business outlier like NUFC in what stat indicates what, which I wouldn't be, our wage bill's neither significantly higher than our relegation rivals, nor does it make up for the massive deficit in transfer spending between other clubs and us.

I shouldn't have bothered mentioning wage bill, although it is the biggest financial indicator of where you will finish. My main point is that its not remarkable if we stay up considering we are currently in 14th when we've got 9 points from 12 games

[Guest firetotheworks]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

 

Probably trophies and points tbh, but churlishness aside, if you're comfortable with including a football business outlier like NUFC in what stat indicates what, which I wouldn't be, our wage bill's neither significantly higher than our relegation rivals, nor does it make up for the massive deficit in transfer spending between other clubs and us.

I shouldn't have bothered mentioning wage bill, although it is the biggest financial indicator of where you will finish. My main point is that its not remarkable if we stay up considering we are currently in 14th when we've got 9 points from 12 games

 

It's not an indicator that I'd apply to NUFC for a number of reasons, but fair enough. I think the remarkable bit is probably more to do with us having predominantly the same squad assembled to get out of the Championship 2 years ago. I think it's easy to take that for granted and think it's not that big a deal purely because of what Rafa's already achieved with it, but when I watch those players I see generally poor quality individuals in an effective system.

[Shearergol]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

 

Probably trophies and points tbh, but churlishness aside, if you're comfortable with including a football business outlier like NUFC in what stat indicates what, which I wouldn't be, our wage bill's neither significantly higher than our relegation rivals, nor does it make up for the massive deficit in transfer spending between other clubs and us.

I shouldn't have bothered mentioning wage bill, although it is the biggest financial indicator of where you will finish. My main point is that its not remarkable if we stay up considering we are currently in 14th when we've got 9 points from 12 games

 

Like spurs?

[The College Dropout]

Having to go fall back on the wage bill as some sort of proof that "it's not really remarkable if Rafa doesn't get backed and keeps us up".  Weird.

Well no, the reason its not remarkable is because we’ve won two games out of twelve and we’re in 14th. Wage bill is the best indicator of success in football

 

Probably trophies and points tbh, but churlishness aside, if you're comfortable with including a football business outlier like NUFC in what stat indicates what, which I wouldn't be, our wage bill's neither significantly higher than our relegation rivals, nor does it make up for the massive deficit in transfer spending between other clubs and us.

I shouldn't have bothered mentioning wage bill, although it is the biggest financial indicator of where you will finish. My main point is that its not remarkable if we stay up considering we are currently in 14th when we've got 9 points from 12 games

 

Like spurs?

 

That's an anomaly. They're the best run club in the division. He's right, wages are the best indication of where a club will finish more or less.

 

But wages + transfer we'll be bottom 5. And more importantly, we haven't improved. Some of our wages will be going on the likes of Jack Colback.

[mrmojorisin75]

i just don't know why you'd try to actively diminish the achievement in what he is doing; let's take wages/fees aside then he's actively undermined at every turn, 2 *massive* examples

 

asked for players in early in the summer to get prepped - barely got any and the ones he did get came really late, fucked the start of the season

has been asking to improve training and medical facilities for 3 years - afaik has got nada yet we're probably as good on injuries as i can remember in my entire life and the players are improving week on week still

 

that's to say nothing of the massive dint in morale ashley's actions made on the players themselves clearly, both in their own bonus issue and the fact they knew he'd undermined everyone and gone against everything he said he would do in support of the manager

 

he's doing a fucking ridiculous job, it doesn matter that cardiff are shite and fulham have imploded man...the fact he's keeping us afloat all on his own while ashley has his hands tied behind his back and wearing concrete boots should be seen for what it is

 

 

[STM]

I think he will sign a new contract. There seems to have been a tone change in recent weeks.

[Guest]

They’d probably announce it before the Wolves game for shits and giggles.