joeyt Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 We missed out on Griezmann and Luiz? Don't remember that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 We missed out on Griezmann and Luiz? Don't remember that Would have had Zidane if Keegan hadn't had such a shit eye for a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I thought the point was to bring social media together in protest against Ashley, is there nothing the forum can do to support the magpie group You’re mistaken. Putting a group together as one single voice makes it very easy for them to ignore. What happened on Twitter regardless of whoever organised it got plenty of attention. It was a mini trending hashtag. But more importantly the campaign to troll all of Sports Direct’s ventures over twitter caused them at least a small headache. It damaged their brand. It was effective. The next logical step would be to popularise it more, introduce a slight variation but aiming at more coverage, more posts, more retweets etc. All they have done is canned something that was organic and was growing. In order to have a successful movement you need to understand how to maximise your efforts on social media. This needs a digital marketing approach. This Magpie group should have had the cop on to ask people in the know before putting all of this to a halt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 The assumption as always with these things is that the player would have been as good under the tutelage of the brains at NUFC as they were elsewhere. I don't really remember us being seriously in for Griezmann but if we'd signed him from Sociedad, he'd probably have made a few sub appearances, looked a bit lightweight, gone down as a flop and ended up trying to drag his reputation back up again for Celta Vigo, at considerable financial loss to NUFC. Meanwhile Remy Cabella went to Atleti instead and just scored 3 goals at the World Cup while we rue missing out on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Weren't we linked with Salah at one point? Aye there's a thread on here along the lines of "who's this fucking no-hoper we're after from Arab Contractors SC ffs?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I stick by my words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Certainly worked his way up the pyramid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I thought the point was to bring social media together in protest against Ashley, is there nothing the forum can do to support the magpie group You’re mistaken. Putting a group together as one single voice makes it very easy for them to ignore. What happened on Twitter regardless of whoever organised it got plenty of attention. It was a mini trending hashtag. But more importantly the campaign to troll all of Sports Direct’s ventures over twitter caused them at least a small headache. It damaged their brand. It was effective. The next logical step would be to popularise it more, introduce a slight variation but aiming at more coverage, more posts, more retweets etc. All they have done is canned something that was organic and was growing. In order to have a successful movement you need to understand how to maximise your efforts on social media. This needs a digital marketing approach. This Magpie group should have had the cop on to ask people in the know before putting all of this to a halt. Nothing is stopping. You're absolutely mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I thought the point was to bring social media together in protest against Ashley, is there nothing the forum can do to support the magpie group You’re mistaken. Putting a group together as one single voice makes it very easy for them to ignore. What happened on Twitter regardless of whoever organised it got plenty of attention. It was a mini trending hashtag. But more importantly the campaign to troll all of Sports Direct’s ventures over twitter caused them at least a small headache. It damaged their brand. It was effective. The next logical step would be to popularise it more, introduce a slight variation but aiming at more coverage, more posts, more retweets etc. All they have done is canned something that was organic and was growing. In order to have a successful movement you need to understand how to maximise your efforts on social media. This needs a digital marketing approach. This Magpie group should have had the cop on to ask people in the know before putting all of this to a halt. Nothing is stopping. You're absolutely mental. The twitter campaign has all but stopped to a trickle. Are you saying all those people who had been participating are now flocking to themagpiegroup.co.uk instead of mainstream social media? You’re deluded man. I work for a large digital agency who specialises in this area, I think I’ll trust my instincts/experience on this one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 love it when unimpressive work credentials are used in forum arguments. LOVE IT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I thought the point was to bring social media together in protest against Ashley, is there nothing the forum can do to support the magpie group You’re mistaken. Putting a group together as one single voice makes it very easy for them to ignore. What happened on Twitter regardless of whoever organised it got plenty of attention. It was a mini trending hashtag. But more importantly the campaign to troll all of Sports Direct’s ventures over twitter caused them at least a small headache. It damaged their brand. It was effective. The next logical step would be to popularise it more, introduce a slight variation but aiming at more coverage, more posts, more retweets etc. All they have done is canned something that was organic and was growing. In order to have a successful movement you need to understand how to maximise your efforts on social media. This needs a digital marketing approach. This Magpie group should have had the cop on to ask people in the know before putting all of this to a halt. Nothing is stopping. You're absolutely mental. The twitter campaign has all but stopped to a trickle. Are you saying all those people who had been participating are now flocking to themagpiegroup.co.uk instead of mainstream social media? You’re deluded man. I work for a large digital agency who specialises in this area, I think I’ll trust my instincts/experience on this one! It's just an umbrella group that brings together all of the disparate groups. Nothing changes with the individual groups. Nothing has been canned. This just allows a united front / more coordination between the groups around protests and other activities. And there is still plenty of activity from @IfRafaGoesWeGo and @AshleyOut today, so what you're on about there I don't know. You're absolutely mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 And this... I was at that talk-in – it still beggars belief that the current World Cup Golden Ball winner was on the verge of singing until Ashley and his imbeciles ballsed it up! The key question I'd want to know is "why?". Why are we seeing deals sabotaged and scuppered when we can afford them, and under successive managers? It doesn't appear to always be for budgetary reasons since we're cancelling deals we can afford - Keegan says as much. You have Llambias/Jiminez/Wise sabotaging deals for Hyppia and Modric (and iirc others too, Kamil Zayyatte for example), Kinnear cancelling a free transfer for Douglas, Barnes cancelling loan deals arranged by Rafa for Tammy Abraham and Loftus Cheek both of whom you'd expect to be relatively cheap/affordable, and those are just some of the ones we barely know about. We then do spend some money elsewhere, even if it's not as much as we should be we still sign players. It makes me suspicious because it's what we did under Freddie Shepherd in one of his many schemes for milking the club. We know that Freddie Shepherd used to buy a disproportionately high number of players from agent Willie McKay, so much so that Freddie's son used to work for McKay out of a dedicated office at St James' Park (i.e. commission into the Shepherd family's pockets if we make any big money signings). This was why Freddie used to seemingly piss about in the transfer market, offering derisory bids for players the manager wanted knowing they'd be rejected, whilst at the same time paying over the odds for other players. A good example of this was Michael Carrick, available for £3m from West Ham, Sir Bobby wants him, Freddie offers £0.5m knowing it'd be rejected and "playing hardball" on it, we miss out. Could argue it was because Freddie didn't rate him, but then look back at the relationship established already with McKay and the fact Carrick was with a different agency. Freddie had no problems signing wasters like Celestine Babayaro who was a McKay player. It's not like this accusation in relation to Ashley would be entirely baseless either. We know from the Nacho and Xisco signings that under Ashley we've signed players specifically as "favors" for agents, and since Keegan is the only one to have spoken out about it, it's fair to assume we've done similar (Seydou Doumbia always seemed a dodgey piece of business). As Keegan said about Hyppia, Ashley and his minions actively put in bids with the intention of it being rejected. So it's not like there's no grounds at all, on the contrary it actually explains their actions better. In some ways it's actually worse if they're not doing this, because otherwise they're fucking with the manager in the transfer market for the sake of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 One of the most frustrating transfer choices in our history, Butt over Carrick. 7 years older and twice the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 As a side note, I personally don't buy the notion that Ashley isn't going to utilize legitimate "backdoor" means, which won't be identifiable in high level summarized annual accounts (nor require disclosures), for making money out of NUFC since he's a billionaire and can legitimately take money out of NUFC if he wanted to. It's like saying that that because Ashley is a billionaire he wouldn't exploit low paid zero hour contract workers for a few quid by using 15-30 minutes of their time unpaid doing additional security checks and thereby paying under national minimum wage. It's like saying he has no need to buy shares at a struggling but widely supported Scottish club on the cheap, get his mates onto the Board in an attempted power coup, and look to force through debilitating merchandising/retail deals to benefit Sports Direct. It's like saying because Ashley is rich Newcastle United wouldn't be paying Sports Direct £1.3m a year for unknown reasons (buying all our stock from a retailer? What?) - Ashley doesn't need to do any of that. Except he did. The man is a shyster by nature. He seems to revel in beating the rules and sticking fingers up at others whilst making as much money as possible, even though he doesn't need to. As a hypothetical scenario, if he has two possible options, one which exclusively benefits NUFC only (sign a player the manager wants) and the second which potentially benefits NUFC ("Xisco/Doumbiya might be alright") but which also benefits himself/his mates/Sports Direct in the process, what about his personality and track record makes people think he's going to go for the first option? Football is a dodgey sport. Again, it's why unscrupulous business men with questionable pasts or current practices seem to be attracted to it. Lets not use financial statements as a concrete argument to portray a complete picture of what's going on financially - it's not like Juventus included a disclosure for bribing referee selections in their annual accounts. There's all manner of ways in which someone can benefit through off the book deals involving an entity. An agent might pay Ashley money directly for his player to be signed/loaned by us as one possible example in hundreds, or favors could be exchanged if we make promises. Did Grant Thornton audit Mike Ashley's personal bank accounts, or even Mash Holdings', when they signed off NUFC's annual accounts? Of course not. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-united-hmrc-tax-raid-14579810 The club has been said to have “systematically abused” the tax system, with all payments to player agents the subject of potential criminal proceedings. Allegations have also been levelled against Newcastle United that they knew payments to agents were being “secretly” funnelled to other unlicensed agents and players in a bid to circumvent income tax and national insurance. The full judgement and details of Operation Loom were published on October 4 last year, which revealed five Newcastle United transfers from 2010 to 2013 were under investigation. These focused on the arrivals of now-former Magpies Demba Ba, Sylvain Marveaux, Moussa Sissoko, Davide Santon and Papiss Cissé. The report by HMRC officers read: “I believe that the contractual arrangements are a sham and do not reflect what actually happened. “The club’s agents passed on the vast majority of their fees to other agents acting for the players or to associates of the players, or possibly to the players themselves. “By using purported clubs agents as intermediaries to conceal the payments to players and their agents, the players and the club were able to evade income tax and national insurance contributions respectively by not treating payments to players’ agents on behalf of players as taxable benefits enjoyed by the player.” "Accounts look alright to me, everything adds up, don't be so silly he's not taking money out of the club, nothing to see, move on." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 We missed out on Griezmann and Luiz? Don't remember that Would have had Zidane if Keegan hadn't had such a shit eye for a player. Weird myth, that one I think. Pretty sure it was just Blackburn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. What do you even care at all man all you're here to do is play spoiler and pour cold water over everyone. It's not a useful contribution. Guess what: it's always super easy to be a criticizing asshole and call others' efforts not good enough, question is what are you doing that's better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. What do you even care at all man all you're here to do is play spoiler and pour cold water over everyone. It's not a useful contribution. Guess what: it's always super easy to be a criticizing asshole and call others' efforts not good enough, question is what are you doing that's better? Well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. Natural attrition for something like this tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 the random guy who made up a twitter hashtag should've hired a large digital agency to help with his social media presence obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. Not sure why that matters, it's impressions that count. There's been 100 tweets from 86 accounts with #IfRafaGoesWeGo just within the last hour. Either way, I'm not sure what your damage is. I'm sure you were the same with Ashley Out the last time. And then you had the nerve to call the takeover thread bipolar, which showed a staggering lack of self awareness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I'm guessing a few tweets from Sports Direct would see those numbers take off again too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 About 500 active users tweeting about this now. Steadily on the decline over the past few days. And that's because of the formation of The Magpie Group?! What you on about, man? I'll remind you what you said: All they have done is canned something that was organic and was growing. In order to have a successful movement you need to understand how to maximise your efforts on social media. This needs a digital marketing approach. This Magpie group should have had the cop on to ask people in the know before putting all of this to a halt. You're talking absolute rubbish. Nothing has stopped. Any drop in traction for the individual Twitter accounts/hashtags is due to natural peaks and troughs. It's nothing to do with the formation of the Magpie Group, which won't replace or supersede any of the existing groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Honestly man I'm usually really tolerant towards stupidity but when it's coupled with arrogance then sorry like, but nar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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