Newcastle United 0 - 0 Brighton - 30/12/17 - Post-wank discussion from pg 17

[Guest firetotheworks]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Some of these players aren't a million miles off being good enough.

 

That's where I fundamentally disagree, for me it's comfortably the worst NUFC squad I've ever seen for the level its playing at, including both relegation squads.

 

Lets say we replace half the team with 15-20m players, or much better if we can't agree on value, don't you think some of this lot could look a lot better in a more confident fluid side?

 

I'm thinking Lascelles, Merino for definite - then Atsu, Murphy, Shelvey probably, and I'm not giving up on Lejuene yet, still think there could be a big player there.

 

Core of the problem may be in that Rafa doesn't think they're good enough (as in trust) - that creates its own problems because it is difficult to hide that from the players themselves.

 

Hmm, I don't think I've given you much of an argument.

 

Of course, but that's how these things work. Everyone knows we need a striker and a number 10, and that getting those two things would make a massive difference. For me the team is functional in terms of organisation and shape, which is down to Rafa, but going forward there's very, very little to hang your hat on. Sort out both of those areas in January and it should make a huge difference.

[Guest firetotheworks]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Sorry but that's bollocks. This was Brighton we were playing. We could pass it off when it was Man City but not when it's a s*** team like Brighton. We are a crap team but we are more than capable of pressing a s*** team like Brighton and showing more desire to get forward. To sit back and let such a s*** team have so much of the ball at home is inexcusable.

 

No idea what you were watching but 'letting' didn't come into it, they're just not good enough. If you think that's bollocks, like I said, godspeed, but  I don't and it's as simple as that.

 

I do think that's bollocks because Brighton are not a better team than us. We are better than we are showing (not much like) but we are more than capable of taking a game to a team like Brighton at home. And letting the opposition have the ball is right, it's what we do and how we set up, then hoping to hit teams on the counter, which for me is disgusting at home. (Love playing that way away from home as it has had a form of success). But at home it's awful, no matter how shit you think our players are.

 

We're at complete opposite ends of the argument here. I think Brighton are a better team than us, as I thought last year before they improved and we didn't.

[sh74]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Some of these players aren't a million miles off being good enough.

 

That's where I fundamentally disagree, for me it's comfortably the worst NUFC squad I've ever seen for the level its playing at, including both relegation squads.

 

Lets say we replace half the team with 15-20m players, or much better if we can't agree on value, don't you think some of this lot could look a lot better in a more confident fluid side?

 

I'm thinking Lascelles, Merino for definite - then Atsu, Murphy, Shelvey probably, and I'm not giving up on Lejuene yet, still think there could be a big player there.

 

Core of the problem may be in that Rafa doesn't think they're good enough (as in trust) - that creates its own problems because it is difficult to hide that from the players themselves.

 

Hmm, I don't think I've given you much of an argument.

 

Of course, but that's how these things work. Everyone knows we need a striker and a number 10, and that getting those two things would make a massive difference. For me the team is functional in terms of organisation and shape, which is down to Rafa, but going forward there's very, very little to hang your hat on. Sort out both of those areas in January and it should make a huge difference.

were you at the game today? Our problems are a lot deeper than a striker and a number 10.

[Guest reefatoon]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Sorry but that's bollocks. This was Brighton we were playing. We could pass it off when it was Man City but not when it's a s*** team like Brighton. We are a crap team but we are more than capable of pressing a s*** team like Brighton and showing more desire to get forward. To sit back and let such a s*** team have so much of the ball at home is inexcusable.

 

No idea what you were watching but 'letting' didn't come into it, they're just not good enough. If you think that's bollocks, like I said, godspeed, but  I don't and it's as simple as that.

 

I do think that's bollocks because Brighton are not a better team than us. We are better than we are showing (not much like) but we are more than capable of taking a game to a team like Brighton at home. And letting the opposition have the ball is right, it's what we do and how we set up, then hoping to hit teams on the counter, which for me is disgusting at home. (Love playing that way away from home as it has had a form of success). But at home it's awful, no matter how s*** you think our players are.

Debatable, but in any case we were picking up more points than Brighton playing exactly like we did today before Lascelles got injured and our defence went to pot.

 

Yes we were. I am not a fan of that style of football at all, especially at home. It never looks as bad when we win as we all just say "that was a bit shit, but at least it is three points". For me you gain confidence as a team when you attack and have more of the ball. Don't let the opposition do it in your own back yard. Whether that is the players just not listening or how they are sent out to play, at home it needs to stop. Give the fans something to get out of their seat and shout about, which in turn lifts the players.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Thing is, we don't even counter. We're so slow going forward regardless how many players they have back.

[Guest firetotheworks]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Some of these players aren't a million miles off being good enough.

 

That's where I fundamentally disagree, for me it's comfortably the worst NUFC squad I've ever seen for the level its playing at, including both relegation squads.

 

Lets say we replace half the team with 15-20m players, or much better if we can't agree on value, don't you think some of this lot could look a lot better in a more confident fluid side?

 

I'm thinking Lascelles, Merino for definite - then Atsu, Murphy, Shelvey probably, and I'm not giving up on Lejuene yet, still think there could be a big player there.

 

Core of the problem may be in that Rafa doesn't think they're good enough (as in trust) - that creates its own problems because it is difficult to hide that from the players themselves.

 

Hmm, I don't think I've given you much of an argument.

 

Of course, but that's how these things work. Everyone knows we need a striker and a number 10, and that getting those two things would make a massive difference. For me the team is functional in terms of organisation and shape, which is down to Rafa, but going forward there's very, very little to hang your hat on. Sort out both of those areas in January and it should make a huge difference.

were you at the game today? Our problems are a lot deeper than a striker and a number 10.

 

I know they are, that doesn't mean both wouldn't still make a big difference.

[Guest reefatoon]

The home team have had 43% of possession compared to the away team's 57%

 

Every game is the same. It's what we do, surrender possession so we can try and not get beat.

 

Funny that, we beat West Ham just the other week with 35% possession whilst apparently 'trying not to get beat'

 

That's what we do. We go out to not get beat and if we score then brilliant. We never go out to try and take it to a team. I will never warm to this kind of football like, always detested the "not get beat" style. Just takes any kind of enjoyment out of the game of football.

 

I was taking the p*ss, you'd have to be a bit daft to think that we went out to not get beaten in that West Ham match.

 

I'm mainly talking about playing this way at home. It isn't right.

 

I don't agree, Rafa's working with what he has, if you think we should take it to teams indiscriminately, godspeed.

 

So are you happy with two banks of four in front of our box and letting a team as s*** as Brighton have all the possession? I just don't get it. It's not how it should be done at home, which is why our record is so s***.

 

I didn't say I was happy, I said Rafa's working with what he has.

 

He is, I agree with you, but I wish we would do it with the ball more. We set up at home like you would expect for an away game. You should never let the opposition have more of the ball than you at home like, but we set up like that. For me it is nowhere near good enough.

 

It's been said countless times, but I can't work out why people can agree that Rafa's working with what he has and then complain that we don't dominate possession or take it to teams at home. Which one is it? Is Rafa working with what he has or should we be attacking teams? For me there's a crucial link between the two and a bit of contradiction in terms from people who keep forgetting time and time and time again that these players are nowhere near good enough.

 

Some of these players aren't a million miles off being good enough.

 

That's where I fundamentally disagree, for me it's comfortably the worst NUFC squad I've ever seen for the level its playing at, including both relegation squads.

 

Lets say we replace half the team with 15-20m players, or much better if we can't agree on value, don't you think some of this lot could look a lot better in a more confident fluid side?

 

I'm thinking Lascelles, Merino for definite - then Atsu, Murphy, Shelvey probably, and I'm not giving up on Lejuene yet, still think there could be a big player there.

 

Core of the problem may be in that Rafa doesn't think they're good enough (as in trust) - that creates its own problems because it is difficult to hide that from the players themselves.

 

Hmm, I don't think I've given you much of an argument.

 

Of course, but that's how these things work. Everyone knows we need a striker and a number 10, and that getting those two things would make a massive difference. For me the team is functional in terms of organisation and shape, which is down to Rafa, but going forward there's very, very little to hang your hat on. Sort out both of those areas in January and it should make a huge difference.

 

Yep, I agree with you there.

[Lush Vlad]

Thing is, we don't even counter. We're so slow going forward regardless how many players they have back.

 

Countered really well at West Ham. Arguably the best we have played on the break since that amazing WBA away game in the orange kit. Ahhh. Good times. the performance and players, I mean. Not Pardew!

[BrickTop]

It was painful to watch how terrified we look on the ball. Last 10 minutes nobody even wanted to receive a throw. Yedlin was absolutely diabolic with the ball at his feet unless he had acres of open pitch ahead of him. They all looked petrified of losing possession.

 

As a side note: Can anybody explain the thought behind substituting Ritchie for Perez other than Ritchie playing as poorly as everyone else?

[mighty__mag]

Are we allowed to express negative opinions about today?

Aslong as they aren't about Rafa you should be alright.

 

Why do people keep saying this?

 

To save time.

 

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[Varadi]

We're a poor team playing with very little confidence - hard to see us staying up without significant investment, which means takeover or bust I reckon.

 

Rafa certainly isn't blameless but i don't think there's a manager out there who could do any better with what's available.

[BrickTop]

Countered really well at West Ham. Arguably the best we have played on the break since that amazing WBA away game in the orange kit. Ahhh. Good times. the performance and players, I mean. Not Pardew!

 

Watched the 11/12 season review recently. The winning run surrounding that game was probably the peak of the Pardew era. What his 'tactics' can bring if everything else magically falls into place.

[geordie_b]

Are we allowed to express negative opinions today?

Express them all you want and argue your f***ing points instead of being a whinging drip.

 

You're kidding right? It was like North Korea in here after the City game

[thomas]

Are we allowed to express negative opinions today?

Express them all you want and argue your f***ing points instead of being a whinging drip.

 

You're kidding right? It was like North Korea in here after the City game

A peaceful land of happiness and bounty, united under a demi-god, bullied by a jealous nation of ingrates an ocean away?

[Doctor Zaius]

Countered really well at West Ham. Arguably the best we have played on the break since that amazing WBA away game in the orange kit. Ahhh. Good times. the performance and players, I mean. Not Pardew!

 

Watched the 11/12 season review recently. The winning run surrounding that game was probably peak Pardew. What his 'tactics' can bring if everything else magically falls into place.

 

Look at that side though. Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Coloccini all at their zenith with us. When you've got talented players you can afford to carry less talented hardworking players like Perch, Williamson, Jonas etc. like that team did. How many of our players would get into that team now? Lascelles and maybe Merino.  We're miles away in terms of quality.

[Guest chopey]

Just back from the match and that was very poor, no tempo, no zip, no creativity, no pace and no quality. I know we are not very good and we need more quality players but the very minimum is 100% effort and we just didn't get that today.

[triggs]

Is there really any need for us to be playing again on Monday like? Players surely won't be recovered in that time

[sempuki]

Just back from the match and that was very poor, no tempo, no zip, no creativity, no pace and no quality. I know we are not very good and we need more quality players but the very minimum is 100% effort and we just didn't get that today.

It was rotten. Could have played until tomorrow and we wouldn't have scored.

[jimmymag]

Just back from the match and that was very poor, no tempo, no zip, no creativity, no pace and no quality. I know we are not very good and we need more quality players but the very minimum is 100% effort and we just didn't get that today.

 

Agree. You could tell from the first 5 minutes that we weren't at it today. Gave them far too much time on the ball and didn't press as a unit.

 

It wasn't just the tactics, it was the players unable to play under the pressure. For instance, Gayle played like he had 2 house bricks in his boots, his touch was woeful.

 

Oh, and Geordiedean you're a prick!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Absolutely terrible game, at least we didn’t lose. Brighton is were also appalling, just seemed like the fear of losing was too much for both sides.

[Big Geordie]

Damning from .com;

 

Premier League:

Brighton peers??

 

Newcastle  0  Brighton  0

 

Newcastle's final game of 2017 saw them limp to a sterile draw with fellow-promotion side Brighton, as the home fans were "treated" to their first home point for ten weeks.

 

This was United's first goalless draw since the blank at Birmingham City in March and the first in the Premier League since May 2016, also in Birmingham at Villa Park.

 

Having beaten Brighton twice last season, it's difficult to see this as anything other than two points lost against a side that we should have far greater ambitions than.

 

We clearly don't under this current regime and if Premier League survival means goalless draws against the likes of the Seagulls, then we really are in a desperate plight.

 

Three successive blanks at home is the stuff of relegation certainties and quite where the three goals at West Ham came from seems to be something of a mystery.

 

The tactics that day saw us going at the Hammers' defence in numbers but today's insipid showing - on our own patch - saw around the same number of efforts at goal as the Manchester City game.

 

A Dwight Gayle penalty dive and header, plus a Rolando Aarons chip were all we had to show from that night and swap Aarons' effort for an Isaac Hayden shot and that's pretty much what we had again.

 

With wins for Bournemouth and Swansea and Huddersfield's stalemate with Burnley, the result looks even worse - sitting 16th with 19 points from 21 games.

 

Crystal Palace, West Ham and West Bromwich Albion all have a game in hand now, although they face top five sides.

 

 

Monday's opponents, Stoke, were given a good five-goal thrashing by Chelsea but that seems likely to mean they will be facing us with Mark Hughes no longer their manager. Typical.

 

[Guest chopey]

Hughes changed most of his team today and played loads of kids to keep his best team for us on Monday

[Interpolic]

Atmosphere is negative as f*** in here today. Shouting and balling at players for nowt.

A lot of them can’t even do the basics man.

Need all the help they can get then, don't they?

 

Honestly the crowd today were something else, frustration creeped in after about 15 minutes and quickly turned to anger no matter what the players did. If they played it simple or backwards there was shouting and balling, if they went long or took a risk there was shouting and balling, it was an edgy atmosphere throughout and the players were visibly struggling with it.

 

I never used to be one for criticising our fans but the couple of times I've been to games up here this season I've been flabbergasted. A sizeable proportion of them seem to think that carrying on like that will help one of the most limited top flight sides we've ever had. Baffling, and annoying for those who want to he positive and show support. I'd honestly rather they were quiet, it would be more helpful to our cause.

 

Match itself was fucking shite like, goes without saying. 2 sides devoid of quality, terrified to lose. At times it resembled an end of season kick about. The only times we've looked impressive this season are when we've been able to counter attack and find space, up against a side set up cautiously we've got absolutely nowt to offer.

[morla84]

Terrible championship style game, Rafa has his work cut out to sort this mess out

[Twinport53]

Terrible championship style game, Rafa has his work cut out to sort this mess out

 

Have you not been in the Rafa thread? Even if we get 100 mil to spend in January, he would sign 73 Joselus.