Video Assistant Referees (VAR)

[madras]

The defender was out of control and impeded the striker so it's a foul imo. The Man City one was worse anyway, no idea how that wasn't given

Out of control yes, just seemed he impeded him by not being there to lean against when Kane thought hed have to. Why else would it not be given ?

[Ginola]

He was laid underneath him when he went that way If you change direction and someone dives at your feet causing you to fall, it's a foul. I don't disagree that that's why it wasn't given, I'm saying it should have been given

[madras]

He was laid underneath him when he went that way If you change direction and someone dives at your feet causing you to fall, it's a foul. I don't disagree that that's why it wasn't given, I'm saying it should have been given

I dont think its contact that causes Kane to fall but the lack of it.

[Ginola]

I can see your argument, but we'll have to agree to disagree

[madras]

Fair enough. Theres every chance I'd see it different if it was the other way round ?

[madras]

After watching more angles on MOTD2 I'm even more convinced it's not a pen.

[ToonArmy1892]

I'm surprisd so many think it's a pen tbh, Kane leaned in looking for it, he should have kept going he probably would have got his shot away.

 

He has previous for looking for the contact.

[Wallsendmag]

In real time I thought it wasn't a pen. Then, the first replay it did look like it might be given and then they showed it from the opposite angle and I thought no way is that a penalty.

 

Well done VAR!

[Greg]

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by making a controlled, well-timed challenge (definitively taking the ball before the man) - it's a fair challenge.

 

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by maneouvering his body in front of his opponent (being in control of the ball but without necessarily touching it) - it's a fair challenge.

 

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by literally diving headfirst in front of his opponent, not being in control of the ball, not touching the ball, whilst impeding the striker's ability to shoot - it's a foul.

 

If Lascelles doesn't do what he did, Kane has an opportunity to take a clean shot; but Lascelles prevents that from happening. Kane might lean into him slightly but it doesn't mean the infringement hasn't occurred. If you're a striker, I think you're probably within your right to highlight the infringement by playing into it somewhat.

 

But that's not what happened in my opinion. Lascelles didn't impede him or stop him getting a shot away, Kane decided to lean and use the contact to throw himself to the floor looking for a penalty. That contact doesn't take him down without him going looking for it.

 

These decisions go either way. If given I doubt VAR would have over turned it, but not a clear and obvious error.

[Taylor Swift]

That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.

[mrmojorisin75]

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by making a controlled, well-timed challenge (definitively taking the ball before the man) - it's a fair challenge.

 

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by maneouvering his body in front of his opponent (being in control of the ball but without necessarily touching it) - it's a fair challenge.

 

If a defender prevents a striker from taking a shot by literally diving headfirst in front of his opponent, not being in control of the ball, not touching the ball, whilst impeding the striker's ability to shoot - it's a foul.

 

If Lascelles doesn't do what he did, Kane has an opportunity to take a clean shot; but Lascelles prevents that from happening. Kane might lean into him slightly but it doesn't mean the infringement hasn't occurred. If you're a striker, I think you're probably within your right to highlight the infringement by playing into it somewhat.

 

But that's not what happened in my opinion. Lascelles didn't impede him or stop him getting a shot away, Kane decided to lean and use the contact to throw himself to the floor looking for a penalty. That contact doesn't take him down without him going looking for it.

 

These decisions go either way. If given I doubt VAR would have over turned it, but not a clear and obvious error.

 

[Andy]

You can clearly see that Kane is halfway to the floor before Lascelles makes any contact with him whatsoever like.

[Froggy]

Did anyone see the decisions in our game against Palace? Felt it should have been a red and a penalty. Seems to the majority opinion but others have disagreed. The penalty a bit dubious I suppose but the yellow should have definitely been a red.

[Guest covmag]

He dived, the cunt

[Stifler]

That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.

Just because his natural motion is to lean into a defender, it doesn’t mean that he should be given a penalty when the defender isn’t there to be leaned against.

[Stifler]

I love how the whole debate is about if Sours should have been given a penalty for a nothing decision. Yet the fact that they should have been down to 10 men late on for a late challenge by the last man. There is nothing said about the majority of tackles in from behind against Almirón.

If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors, then it was clear and obvious that they should have had a man sent off.

[tgarve]

That was one of the clearest pens I've seen. It's crazy that VAR didn't give it. Kane's natural motion is to lean in, because as a striker you lean in to push the defender away and create space for a shot. If you see every striker in the penalty area, they lean in to their defender before pulling back for a shot.

 

Absolute horseshit

 

Wasn’t a pen at all, guy clearly dived on the replays

I did think it was definitely a pen on first viewing but you can see he’s going down before the contact

[mrmojorisin75]

If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

 

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

 

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it

[tgarve]

If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

 

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

 

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it

 

That’s because of the handball part of the law,

 

So in essence it was a clear error as the referee didn’t see it

[mrmojorisin75]

If VAR is there for clear and obvious errors

 

this is the main issue with it at the moment isn't it, implementation

 

i mean that man city goal that was disallowed, for example, was not a clear and obvious error but they decided to act on it

 

That’s because of the handball part of the law,

 

So in essence it was a clear error as the referee didn’t see it

 

clear and obvious is the wording, the touch with his arm was barely perceptible with VAR never mind for the ref

 

it was bullshit

[huss9]

kane changed direction and dived.

[ToonArmy1892]

Never a pen in a million years, dunno what people are on about.

[ScottishMagpie]

In real time I thought it wasn't a pen. Then, the first replay it did look like it might be given and then they showed it from the opposite angle and I thought no way is that a penalty.

 

Well done VAR!

[Pilko]

Genuinely stunned Mike Dean didn't go for one of the 3 or 4 hopeful pen shouts. Normally the self important little cunt has the whistle in his mouth and his arm pointing at the spot before the foul's taken place.

[mrmojorisin75]

Genuinely stunned Mike Dean didn't go for one of the 3 or 4 hopeful pen shouts. Normally the self important little cunt has the whistle in his mouth and his arm pointing at the spot before the foul's taken place.

 

is that not a score in favour of VAR to some degree, knowing they're under so much more scrutiny might cut down on these ego calls and wild nonsense decisions