Sean Longstaff

[Danh1]

25 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Kalvin Phillips cost West Ham £7-8m for a season loan on massive wages. Think he cost Ipswich £9m on loan with more to pay to make permanent.

 

Longstaff probably cost you 1/3 the wages of Phillips so more could go into the fee.

Mental fees for a loan. Hope you’re right and we can get a big fee. 

[WilliamPS]

With Almiron a sale makes sense as a new RW will almost certainly join in the summer. But with Longstaff, selling means only having 5 midfielders on the books, that is totally insufficient if there’s European games next season, as all 5 would be needed pretty much every match.

 

Longstaff is a good backup, home grown, loves the club and probably pretty cheap.

 

Although I think the player probably needs the move as there’s now a cohort of fans always on his back, he might fancy a fresh start with more starting opportunities 

[Smal]

49 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Totally guessing. But I wonder if we have our eye on someone this window?
 

But we need Almiron and one of Kelly or Longstaff to be moved on for us to get him in and comply with the PSR bullshit. 
 

I can’t imagine we would be looking to shift all 3 this window. But you never know. 

maybe and obviously we had moves lined up for the two CBs that have ultimately gone to City, but I just think it’s smart to shift unwanted players whilst they have some value. I’d be taking anything north of £10m for Kelly as well because again, his value will plummet come summer if he doesn’t play ever. We have enough cover imo.

[Lush Vlad]

14 minutes ago, Smal said:

maybe and obviously we had moves lined up for the two CBs that have ultimately gone to City, but I just think it’s smart to shift unwanted players whilst they have some value. I’d be taking anything north of £10m for Kelly as well because again, his value will plummet come summer if he doesn’t play ever. We have enough cover imo.

Agree on Kelly. 
 

Like I have said in this thread. I’m not even much of a fan of Longstaff. But him leaving could leave us light in midfield. Willock isn’t back to anything like his usual self and has had loads of injury issues. Miley is still a kid. 

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Whoever is advising PIF on the value of players needs sacking 

 

Seems about right for Duran tbh. 

[Ellis H]

In most cases, It’s no longer about how much a player is worth but about how much a team can afford. It’s unrealistic to say Longstaff is worth roughly the same as Almiron but almost all clubs are spending pennies and not pounds. 

[ponsaelius]

37 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

With Almiron a sale makes sense as a new RW will almost certainly join in the summer. But with Longstaff, selling means only having 5 midfielders on the books, that is totally insufficient if there’s European games next season, as all 5 would be needed pretty much every match.

 

Longstaff is a good backup, home grown, loves the club and probably pretty cheap.

 

Although I think the player probably needs the move as there’s now a cohort of fans always on his back, he might fancy a fresh start with more starting opportunities 

 

We possibly want to replace him with a younger player as part of a squad recycle come summer. I can see the merit in moving squad players on now in January if there is interest to free up head room to then strike quickly and proactively in the summer. Otherwise you might be waiting all summer for players to move and miss out on targets. 

 

The risk is of course it leaves us thinner on the ground for the rest of the season which could cost us CL if we have a run of injuries. It's a difficult balancing act but I totally get why Mitchell might want to clear the decks a bit this Jan and get fees in when the money is on the table, and while we only have one game a week.

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by ponsaelius

[Yorkie]

£12million for Longstaff is bollocks even in today's market, where teams are probably less inclined to spend significant cash on the likes of him. But he's not some no-mark; he's a seasoned pro with over 200 games under his belt for Newcastle. It's a very low risk signing for the likes of Everton,  so they can stump up a bit more than that I'd say.

 

Surely he's worth more to us as a squaddie than a paltry sum like that. I'm not averse to selling him (though there'd certainly be a lot of sadness there) but he's not a bad person to have around. 

[80]

He's 27, so whoever signs him is pretty much committing to never seeing the fee they pay again. And the kind of clubs who'd sign him probably either lack money or expect to need PSR wiggle room in the future if they see him as a stepping stone. So that hampers things for us.

 

Won't deny it's not the easiest one to swallow mind. But if we were another club making a January 22 style survival bid, and the club's big idea was to sign Longstaff for £20m, we'd be thinking wtf.

[TRon]

12 hours ago, Yorkie said:

£12million for Longstaff is bollocks even in today's market, where teams are probably less inclined to spend significant cash on the likes of him. But he's not some no-mark; he's a seasoned pro with over 200 games under his belt for Newcastle. It's a very low risk signing for the likes of Everton,  so they can stump up a bit more than that I'd say.

 

Surely he's worth more to us as a squaddie than a paltry sum like that. I'm not averse to selling him (though there'd certainly be a lot of sadness there) but he's not a bad person to have around. 

 

 

He's worth what other teams will pay for him ultimately. You'd like to think you can get more than £12m for him, but there isn't exactly a stampede for his signature. If we got £15m for him I'd be more than happy. People tend to way overvalue our players because they are fond of them. We had them on here claiming we were going to get £20m+ for a 33 year old Trippier a year ago.

 

The only real test is the transfer market. We can make up all sorts of imaginary scenarios but until the bids come in, that's all it is.

[kingxlnc]

In hindsight, Trippier should have gone for 8-12m last Jan, he hasn't added much value in that time and in fact has only regressed to the point we will probably get nothing for him

Ditto with Wilson - been such a pointless player to keep this season. 

I support getting rid of Targett, Longstaff, Kelly, Almiron whilst there are offers for them. 
Just need to make sure we don't get left too threadbare. We don't even have Ritchie and Dummett anymore for cover haha

A couple of loans to cover and should be all good.

[wyn davies]

So if we got £12m for him which is pure profit, how much would we need to sell to basically require the same amount none pure profit wise.

[Kilcline]

4 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

So if we got £12m for him which is pure profit, how much would we need to sell to basically require the same amount none pure profit wise.

It would depend on who we were selling, what their book value is (roughly transfer fee less value of fee already amortised), and probably something else I've forgotten about or not aware of.

 

There was a good spreadsheet shared somewhere with our amortisation costs, can't remember where or who shared it, which would make it easy enough to work out with a relative degree of accuracy

[The Prophet]

Hope:

 

"LONG GAME FOR SEAN

 

Sean Longstaff is set to rebuff Premier League interest and fight for his place at Newcastle.

 

Confidential revealed in December that the club would listen to offers for the midfielder after exercising the option to extend his contract to 2026. That protected the value of a player who could have left for free this summer.

 

Everton have a longstanding interest and there has been talk of an approach before Monday’s transfer deadline.

 

However, Confidential understands Longstaff has told Newcastle chiefs he wants to stay at his hometown club."